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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil] 1
#28053184 - 11/15/22 05:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I am not in Trump's head. It is very possible that he did illegal things with Russia. It is also very possible that he committed crimes. I am not privy to the universe of information out there.
The DOJ can investigate anyone for any crime or potential crime. Coordination between trump and a russian hacker could very well be a crime, depending on the substance of that coordination.
You don't have to be in Trump's head to determine if the DOJ had probable cause to investigate Trump.
The bottom line is that they investigated a potential crime, and couldn't find one.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053217 - 11/15/22 05:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.
That means Russia-Gate discussions would have be banned. 
Banned? They'd just need a disclaimer. Why do you like to spin things so much?
Ok fine, you believe the news should have posted a disclaimer saying they don't know if Trump did anything illegal with respect to coordination with Russia.
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Enlil said: Russians actually did conspire to interfere with the election.
Did Trump do anything illegal with Russia? Before you say collusion isn't a crime, you have a question to answer that you ran away from last time:
If "any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" isn't a crime, can the DOJ just investigate Trump for anything it wants?
I'm just working off your metric of using disclaimers for parody. If the news put out any info that wasn't true they should do retractions/corrections. You're just putting more spin on it.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053219 - 11/15/22 05:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I am not in Trump's head. It is very possible that he did illegal things with Russia. It is also very possible that he committed crimes. I am not privy to the universe of information out there.
The DOJ can investigate anyone for any crime or potential crime. Coordination between trump and a russian hacker could very well be a crime, depending on the substance of that coordination.
You don't have to be in Trump's head to determine if the DOJ had probable cause to investigate Trump.
The bottom line is that they investigated a potential crime, and couldn't find one.
They don't need probable cause to investigate trump. Why should Trump have special privileges?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053222 - 11/15/22 05:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either.
I can agree with that.
So much fail. If you agree with that, then what the fuck were you arguing about in the first place.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I was saying I think it's ok to debate vaccine 'facts'. Like when Joe Biden said "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations".
Do you know how words work. Your original quote simply agrees with everything koods posted. What he posted is that vaccine misinformation should be censored. Nothing about debating any facts. You are constantly claiming what you said, was not really what you said. Backtrack harder.
I agreed with koods, and I still do. Biden shouldn't have been allowed to lie to us.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You have 0 credibility from all the lying and backtracking. The only reason people still post to you, is it is incredibly easy to clown you with your own words.
As shown above, there is no backtracking. I stand by my original post. You have failed in your attempt to smear me.
Now I hope you'll answer my question of whether you agree with koods that people like Biden shouldn't be allowed to lie about the vaccines. 
What are you talking about? Seriously, you agreed with what koods said. Now you claim you are not backtracking, you are just changing the topic entirely. This is what you routinely so when your own words are used against you. Lie, backtrack, distract and when all hope is lost point and shout "look over there" No smear tactics or whatever you think in that brain of yours.
Falcon, is English your second language?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil] 1
#28053315 - 11/15/22 06:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: They don't need probable cause to investigate trump. Why should Trump have special privileges?
To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9] 1
#28053322 - 11/15/22 06:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Now you claim you are not backtracking, you are just changing the topic entirely.
Correct, I'm not backtracking (I still agree with koods), and my separate topic question to you (which you refuse to answer) is whether Biden should have been allowed to lie about the vaccine when he said "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations"?
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Ice9 said: This is what you routinely so when your own words are used against you. Lie, backtrack, distract and when all hope is lost point and shout "look over there" No smear tactics or whatever you think in that brain of yours.
Falcon, is English your second language?
Please reread my post again, as it appears English is your second language.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053325 - 11/15/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: They don't need probable cause to investigate trump. Why should Trump have special privileges?
To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
That is exactly what he is saying. You expose your if ignorance about US law more and more. Probable cause is needed for a search warrant.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053328 - 11/15/22 06:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Now you claim you are not backtracking, you are just changing the topic entirely.
Correct, I'm not backtracking (I still agree with koods), and my separate topic question to you (which you refuse to answer) is whether Biden should have been allowed to lie about the vaccine when he said "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations"?
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Ice9 said: This is what you routinely so when your own words are used against you. Lie, backtrack, distract and when all hope is lost point and shout "look over there" No smear tactics or whatever you think in that brain of yours.
Falcon, is English your second language?
Please reread my post again, as it appears English is your second language.
Hmmm, thought I cracked the code for why you have such poor understanding of many normal concepts in facets of everyday life in the US.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28053332 - 11/15/22 06:33 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Why do you think Biden was lying?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053378 - 11/15/22 06:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: They don't need probable cause to investigate trump. Why should Trump have special privileges?
To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
Yes.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil] 1
#28053489 - 11/15/22 07:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
That is exactly what he is saying. You expose your if ignorance about US law more and more. Probable cause is needed for a search warrant.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
Yes.
I'll admit I didn't know that and I find it rather surprising.
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Enlil said: They don't need probable cause to investigate trump. Why should Trump have special privileges?
Did Trump get special privileges by being investigated? Why didn't they investigate Biden for his potential Ukraine and China connections?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9] 1
#28053497 - 11/15/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Why do you think Biden was lying?
Do you mean why did he lie?
Or do you mean what did he lie about?
I have no idea why he lied.
His lie was that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations". Vaccinated people get COVID all the time; they just don't die from it as often.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053536 - 11/15/22 07:55 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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My point was why assume it was a lie. I doubt Biden knows much more about vaccines than the average American, which is not a whole lot. Biden's statement was likely the truth as he knew it at the time. . I'm sure there have been plenty of times Biden and every other president has lied intentionally, and ideally politicians would be as honest as they can, but I'm not naive and don't expect that ever to happen. In this particular instance that you used as an example though, it just seems unlikely that he was lying. It's not lying to be wrong, and furthermore it's a topic many people don't have a strong understanding of. When the vaccines came out, most people thought they would make you immune to the disease, despite the fact that no vaccine in history has ever been that good.
Edit: posting on phone really makes this a wall of text
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053658 - 11/15/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
That is exactly what he is saying. You expose your if ignorance about US law more and more. Probable cause is needed for a search warrant.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?
Yes.
I'll admit I didn't know that and I find it rather surprising.
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Enlil said: They don't need probable cause to investigate trump. Why should Trump have special privileges?
Did Trump get special privileges by being investigated? Why didn't they investigate Biden for his potential Ukraine and China connections?
How do you know they didn't?
If they didn't, it's likely because they felt it would be a waste of time and resources.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28053661 - 11/15/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: My point was why assume it was a lie. I doubt Biden knows much more about vaccines than the average American, which is not a whole lot. Biden's statement was likely the truth as he knew it at the time. . I'm sure there have been plenty of times Biden and every other president has lied intentionally, and ideally politicians would be as honest as they can, but I'm not naive and don't expect that ever to happen. In this particular instance that you used as an example though, it just seems unlikely that he was lying. It's not lying to be wrong, and furthermore it's a topic many people don't have a strong understanding of. When the vaccines came out, most people thought they would make you immune to the disease, despite the fact that no vaccine in history has ever been that good.
Edit: posting on phone really makes this a wall of text
Falcon has previously explained that he thinks any false statement is a lie regardless of whether the person believed the statement to be true at the time the statement was made.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil] 1
#28053835 - 11/15/22 11:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Trump isn't a liar he just says stuff that isn't true that he didn't know at the time.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: budmanman]
#28053853 - 11/16/22 12:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28054004 - 11/16/22 05:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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No, Trump will say anything if he thinks the crowd will believe it. While he's completely retarded and getting worse, he is perfectly aware of most of his lies. My favorite from the announcement was when he said he built the wall. I think he even said "we completed the wall" then in the same breath explained it never got completed. What the fuck is he even doing? He just doesn't give a shit and neither do his followers.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/fact-check-trump-announcement-speech-2024/index.html
It's a CNN article, but that is an easy fact check on his speech. The dude is really taking some ques from the dictators handbook.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
#28054015 - 11/16/22 06:07 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: My point was why assume it was a lie. I doubt Biden knows much more about vaccines than the average American, which is not a whole lot. Biden's statement was likely the truth as he knew it at the time. . I'm sure there have been plenty of times Biden and every other president has lied intentionally, and ideally politicians would be as honest as they can, but I'm not naive and don't expect that ever to happen. In this particular instance that you used as an example though, it just seems unlikely that he was lying. It's not lying to be wrong, and furthermore it's a topic many people don't have a strong understanding of. When the vaccines came out, most people thought they would make you immune to the disease, despite the fact that no vaccine in history has ever been that good.
Edit: posting on phone really makes this a wall of text
Falcon has previously explained that he thinks any false statement is a lie regardless of whether the person believed the statement to be true at the time the statement was made.
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iggyhiggy said: a sincere question just to make your point and methods clear, i mentioned a few examples of misreprentations (as i said 'non-technically fake news') from RT, and in particular their tendency to one sided reports, often without fact-checking. Would you also consider a similar behaviour from a news outlet (be it RT, CNN or The Daily Stocazzo) 'fake news'?
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No. I consider fake news when you intentionally lie about something.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: budmanman]
#28054057 - 11/16/22 07:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Trump isn't a liar he just says stuff that isn't true that he didn't know at the time.
It's certainly clear that trump doesn't know much, but he also says a lot of things that he knows to be untrue when he says it. That makes him a liar.
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