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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#28050651 - 11/14/22 12:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I absolutely support parody accounts.
I also absolutely support advertisers cutting ties with Twitter.
I am taking great pleasure in watching the whole world collectively tell the richest man in the world to eat shit.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#28050654 - 11/14/22 12:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Of course they have to crack down on impersonation that causes harm to users. It’s a business you can’t let people say anything they want. You need rules. But parody in itself is not defamatory or fraudulent. They should ban people who use impersonation to do real damage
Nobody is saying that these rules aren’t limiting users freedom of speech. You are. Were just curious what infringements of free speech are acceptable to you, because clearly you don’t actually think people should be able to say whatever they want on Twitter.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28050668 - 11/14/22 12:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Elon Musk has begun walking the long road of "Oh, THAT'S why it used to work like that".
Five years from now, Twitter will be the same product it was before he bought it, with the exact same rules.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28050689 - 11/14/22 12:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Of course they have to crack down on impersonation that causes harm to users. It’s a business you can’t let people say anything they want. You need rules.
I agree, and that's what I just told Kryptos when he posted an article critical of an Eli Lilly impersonation account that offered free insulin.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28050695 - 11/14/22 12:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either. That’s why the don’t allow covid and vaccine misinformation and lies about the election. If you break those rules you get suspended, just like you do if you break the impersonation rules
Glad we all agree that Twitter needs to moderate and sometimes censor content and ban people who repeatedly break the rules
Edited by koods (11/14/22 12:45 PM)
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28050710 - 11/14/22 12:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either.
I can agree with that. But people should be allowed to discuss/debate such issues rather than your approach of believing whatever the mainstream media tells you to believe without question.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28050729 - 11/14/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Twitter has /had rules about what kinds of content is not allowed. People aren’t getting banned for talking about issues. They are getting banned when they tweet misinformation or misrepresentations about certain well defined topics. A lot of right wingers got banned because they were tweeting lies about vaccines and the election being stolen.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28050745 - 11/14/22 01:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Twitter has /had rules about what kinds of content is not allowed. People aren’t getting banned for talking about issues. They are getting banned when they tweet misinformation or misrepresentations about certain well defined topics. A lot of right wingers got banned because they were tweeting lies about vaccines and the election being stolen.
Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28050861 - 11/14/22 02:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either.
I can agree with that.
So much fail. If you agree with that, then what the fuck were you arguing about in the first place.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28051053 - 11/14/22 03:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Elon Musk apparently decided to get rid of a bunch of "useless microservices", which includes 2fa delivery. So if you have 2fa activated and you log out, you're fucked.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28051807 - 11/14/22 10:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.
That means Russia-Gate discussions would have be banned.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28051811 - 11/14/22 10:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ice9 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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koods said: And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either.
I can agree with that.
So much fail. If you agree with that, then what the fuck were you arguing about in the first place.

I was saying I think it's ok to debate vaccine 'facts'. Like when Joe Biden said "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations".
Do you think discussion about that should have been censored?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28052103 - 11/15/22 04:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.
That means Russia-Gate discussions would have be banned. 
Banned? They'd just need a disclaimer. Why do you like to spin things so much?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28052109 - 11/15/22 04:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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he thinks if he does that it shows some kind of 'through the looking glass' shit and he hopes others of less intelligence will be impressed.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: mushboy]
#28052125 - 11/15/22 04:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Well it's just dishonesty. If he's equating a disclaimer with being banned then I guess Elon has effectively banned anyone who wants to do parody. Wierd logic there falcon. where did you come up with your brand of newspeak?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28052176 - 11/15/22 05:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either.
I can agree with that.
So much fail. If you agree with that, then what the fuck were you arguing about in the first place.

I was saying I think it's ok to debate vaccine 'facts'.
Do you know how words work. Your original quote simply agrees with everything koods posted. What he posted is that vaccine misinformation should be censored. Nothing about debating any facts. You are constantly claiming what you said, was not really what you said. Backtrack harder.
You have 0 credibility from all the lying and backtracking. The only reason people still post to you, is it is incredibly easy to clown you with your own words.
I would say try thinking out your replies first, but you tried that with your rules for what constitutes a legitimate government. That was a spectacular failure.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28052225 - 11/15/22 06:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.
That means Russia-Gate discussions would have be banned. 
There is a difference between a conspiracy theory and an actual conspiracy. Russians actually did conspire to interfere with the election.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
#28053153 - 11/15/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.
That means Russia-Gate discussions would have be banned. 
Banned? They'd just need a disclaimer. Why do you like to spin things so much?
Ok fine, you believe the news should have posted a disclaimer saying they don't know if Trump did anything illegal with respect to coordination with Russia.
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Enlil said: Russians actually did conspire to interfere with the election.
Did Trump do anything illegal with Russia? Before you say collusion isn't a crime, you have a question to answer that you ran away from last time:
If "any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" isn't a crime, can the DOJ just investigate Trump for anything it wants?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28053166 - 11/15/22 05:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I am not in Trump's head. It is very possible that he did illegal things with Russia. It is also very possible that he committed crimes. I am not privy to the universe of information out there.
The DOJ can investigate anyone for any crime or potential crime. Coordination between trump and a russian hacker could very well be a crime, depending on the substance of that coordination.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28053181 - 11/15/22 05:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: And they shouldn’t allow people to lie about vaccines, or the election or covid cures either.
I can agree with that.
So much fail. If you agree with that, then what the fuck were you arguing about in the first place.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I was saying I think it's ok to debate vaccine 'facts'. Like when Joe Biden said "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations".
Do you know how words work. Your original quote simply agrees with everything koods posted. What he posted is that vaccine misinformation should be censored. Nothing about debating any facts. You are constantly claiming what you said, was not really what you said. Backtrack harder.
I agreed with koods, and I still do. Biden shouldn't have been allowed to lie to us.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You have 0 credibility from all the lying and backtracking. The only reason people still post to you, is it is incredibly easy to clown you with your own words.
As shown above, there is no backtracking. I stand by my original post. You have failed in your attempt to smear me.
Now I hope you'll answer my question of whether you agree with koods that people like Biden shouldn't be allowed to lie about the vaccines.
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