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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28027833 - 11/01/22 01:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Who's have thunk that Trump strengthening CISA and having it target opponents in the name of national security could ever be used for nefarious purposes!

Outrageous! Unbelievable! UnPATRIOTic ACTing!


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28028046 - 11/01/22 03:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The primary concern is that the censorship might apply to people Falcon would prefer not be censored, instead of the people that Falcon would prefer be censored.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028141 - 11/01/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Who's have thunk that Trump strengthening CISA and having it target opponents in the name of national security could ever be used for nefarious purposes!



Can you elaborate?  I'm not sure how strengthening CISA to protect against cybersecurity threats is related to the government working with private industry to censor speech.




Simple. The department that Trump started, CISA, morphed into your sudden concern over free speech. Turns out that misinformation is a cybersecurity threat!

Oopsies.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028149 - 11/01/22 04:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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[...]I'm not against differing opinions, but I'm against intentionally fake news.

How do you determine if something is "intentionally fake"?  The same way you determine if someone committed any other crime - through the court system.



It's a high bar.  If I say we should suppress stories about the Hunter Biden laptop being real, then I am CLEARLY censoring news that is not intentionally fake.  If there's any question, you don't censor it.




If there was no question, it wouldn't be in court. Courts are designed to sort out questions. That's their whole job.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028165 - 11/01/22 04:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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If somebody painted a bunch of graffiti on his home do we think he would look at it and espouse that it is an act of free speech?



My home wasn't intended for others to post graffiti on.

If I build a wall that was 100 miles long for people to paint graffiti on, I wouldn't be offended if they did.  If hi tech sets up a site for people to chat on, I'd let them chat.

But you're missing the point of this thread.  This is about the Government being involved in censorship.




Your whole argument started with an article that clearly stated the government merely suggested that some speech might be disinformation, and twitter and facebook voluntarily removed it based on that information.

So to use your wall analogy, the government said "maybe that's not a good idea, your graffiti wall" and you said "yeah, you're right" and GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP JUST HAPPENED!


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028169 - 11/01/22 04:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Simple. The department that Trump started, CISA, morphed into your sudden concern over free speech. Turns out that misinformation is a cybersecurity threat!

Oopsies.



Oh, you mean what happened after Biden took over.  You should have said so.




Oh, yeah, I forgot, Biden was president in 2020. Definitely didn't take office in 2021.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028201 - 11/01/22 04:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Oh, yeah, I forgot, Biden was president in 2020. Definitely didn't take office in 2021.



And the Disinformation Governance Board started in 2022.




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In 2020, CISA created a website, titled Rumor Control, to rebut disinformation associated with the 2020 United States presidential election.




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Your whole argument started with an article that clearly stated the government merely suggested that some speech might be disinformation, and twitter and facebook voluntarily removed it based on that information.

So to use your wall analogy, the government said "maybe that's not a good idea, your graffiti wall" and you said "yeah, you're right" and GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP JUST HAPPENED!



So you think there was no pressure from Government to censor anything?  Your naivety is cute.




They could have taken it to court. Plenty of people sue the government.

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If there was no question, it wouldn't be in court. Courts are designed to sort out questions. That's their whole job.



Enlil is that true?  If something is obvious we're allowed to skip court?




Everything can be questioned. Meaning that if we accept today's argument, yesterday's argument becomes incoherent. I wonder what will happen tomorrow?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #28029109 - 11/02/22 08:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The point really is that it doesn't matter if Twitter and Facebook used DHS to help moderate and police their forums, that is because they own the content and wanted to do it. Anybody can walk away from these platforms at any time and their life will probably be improved.





It does matter when it's our tax dollars paying for a private, inessential, useless company that should be paying out of pocket to private citizens to do the same job




Why is it that nobody applies this logic to coal mines and farms?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28029642 - 11/02/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The point really is that it doesn't matter if Twitter and Facebook used DHS to help moderate and police their forums, that is because they own the content and wanted to do it. Anybody can walk away from these platforms at any time and their life will probably be improved.





It does matter when it's our tax dollars paying for a private, inessential, useless company that should be paying out of pocket to private citizens to do the same job




Why is it that nobody applies this logic to coal mines and farms?





Because even if I morally disagree with coal mining and non-sustainable farming, those industries do at least provide taniglbe goods....and farms produce essential tangible goods.




If they're so essential, then why is a third of their income taxpayer funded?

They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Welcome to the free market.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28031038 - 11/03/22 11:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Elon Musk, famed champion of free speech, appears to temporarily shut down AOC's Twitter after she disagreed with his paid verification plan.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: 4-HO-Gumbo]
    #28031233 - 11/03/22 02:25 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah, they're usually journalists.

And Twitter actually has a documented right wing bias.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28033304 - 11/04/22 08:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

https://i.redd.it/a41q5e8ka0y91.jpg

I guess Elon Musk thinks free speech is when he says whatever the fuck he wants and other people have to just accept it and not change their behavior based on the stupid shit he spews.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: mushboy]
    #28035861 - 11/06/22 01:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Looks like he also wants to destroy Tesla along the way...

And I saw a tweet earlier saying that anyone that pulls advertising from Twitter is going to be investigated by the incoming GOP congress for corporate unconstitutionality.

Might have been a random, might have been a GOP candidate, can't really tell anymore.

In other news, people that bought their blue checkmark and renamed themselves Elon Musk are being banned. Very free speech.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
    #28035871 - 11/06/22 01:49 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Also, relevant, because Tesla is collateral for the loan used to buy Twitter, suddenly every car company in the world has a very vested interest in watching Twitter burn and take a competitor out with them.

Lol


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
    #28035873 - 11/06/22 01:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Oh, and former Twitter employees are reporting that they're starting to get requests to come back to work.

This is a truly mind-boggling level of incompetence. Musk might literally be retarded.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: feevers] * 1
    #28036295 - 11/06/22 10:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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He doubled down and tried to claim that he knows a guy who has a wife who worked at a school that did something with a litterbox so it's not his fault




Schools, like many other places that have to deal with kids, generally keep litter on hand because it's a cheap way to clean up spills.

For some reason, I don't see northern rednecks accusing each other of being furries because they keep cat litter in the trunk for when they get stuck.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28036613 - 11/06/22 02:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Youngest complete sex change operation in the world happened to a German teenager in 2008. She was 16 at the time.

So unless Falcon considers puberty blockers to be "mutilation", which he probably does, he's lying again.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28037274 - 11/06/22 08:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Not sure how the  legislators will handle this. Its none of my business and I don't care if one wants two dicks or 8 orifices. But an arbitrary age limit to go under the knife for these procedures should be implemented. With that, there are plenty of people over the age of 21 that don't have the maturity to drink, so who knows.




An age limit for permanent surgery, or at the very least, rigorous psychological and medical testing makes sense. I actually don't like the idea of an age limit because people develop at different rates, and the most successful among us tend to make life changing decisions at a young age. Gives them more time to be successful, if, for example, they decide to study math to the exclusion of literally everything else.

Restricting puberty blockers, a drug specifically designed to block permanent changes to the body at a young age to allow time for said rigorous psychological and medical testing, does not.

Unless your goal is to make the decision for a sex change as medically difficult and dangerous as possible, I don't see any reason that delaying puberty could be considered a bad thing. The whole point of puberty blockers is to give the patient time to think and consider the possible drawbacks, to ensure that someone can make an accurate decision.

To an extent, I understand why Tolkien said Hobbits are not considered full adults until they are 30. Being a bit past that age, I'd even say that we shouldn't be considered adults until we are 40...but I am not trans. On the other hand, I decided I didn't want kids at a very young age. Even before I was a teenager. That is not something that I have changed my mind on in over 20 years. So I understand that some life changing decisions can be made at a very young age.

Point is, I see absolutely no reason that using a puberty blocker to delay a decision until adulthood can be seen as a negative. Unless, again, you point is to make the eventual transition as problematic and painful as possible. To, for lack of better term, use force to restrict people's ability to make their own medical decisions.

Edit: I guess there's also the very rapey aspect of forcing people to grow up a certain gender for nefarious reasons before they get the chance to fully develop as a person, but that's more of a catholic/baptist/evangelical christian problem.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
    #28037999 - 11/07/22 10:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Elon musk decides that impersonating Elon musk on Twitter is a permaban, even if you clearly label yourself a parody account.

Free speech!


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #28038690 - 11/07/22 05:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I posted the lie Tulsi Gabbard told on Twitter about children being “mutilated” by gender affirming treatments.



And I posted an article saying that she wasn't lying.
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a Texas doctor says he's also provided sex-changing treatment to an increasing number of children; so has a clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles where the 8-year-old is a patient.







Okay, so this mention of an 8 year old patient was a lie. Keep your lies straight. Or keep your articles accurate, and stop implying that sex changes are happening to pre-teens.

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I was popping around the web trying to understand how Twitter verification is done, and it appears to be fairly involved and includes a requirement for a government issued photo ID (driver's license or passport) and a verified phone number.  I wonder how all that works.




That's how it used to work, but since Musk took over, you just pay 8$ a month.


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