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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28027802 - 11/01/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So much for Trump being a champion of free speech, lol

But that video you posted....lol...dude...you watch some real crazy shit.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28029059 - 11/02/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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So much for Trump being a champion of free speech, lol



What does that mean?  Can you explain?
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Trump is the one who signed that law into effect




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But that video you posted....lol...dude...you watch some real crazy shit.




So Steve Turley's a big fat poo poo head ('crazy shit') is all you got?  That's about as much insight as I've come to expect from you lately.

For those interested, here is some of the 'crazy shit' Steve Turley discussed:

1)  Twitter's CEO said "Our role is NOT to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation..."  "The kinds of things that we do about this is, focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed."

2)  The Board of Twitter was fired because Elon Musk said he had just cause.  They deliberately hid evidence (regarding the number of spam bots) from the court and provided fraudulent metrics

And MOST IMPORTANTLY:

3)  Twitter and Facebook had regular meetings with DHS on deliberately censoring information regarding things like the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, U.S. support to Ukraine, and Hunter Biden’s laptop.

Now, if anyone doesn't have a problem with this, then please feel free to discuss, but "crazy shit" really isn't a thoughtful response.



That video is pure conspiracy nutter bullshit.  He must have said "deep state" 50 times in that thing


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28029060 - 11/02/22 07:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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If there was no question, it wouldn't be in court. Courts are designed to sort out questions. That's their whole job.



Enlil is that true?  If something is obvious we're allowed to skip court?



Courts are definitely created and purposed with answering questions to which the answers are disputed.  I don't know the context of this particular issue


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28029068 - 11/02/22 07:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I thought you were against disinformation. You are very confusing



Correct, but the disinformation board wanted to censor truthful facts about the Urkraine war and other things.



"wanted." I have zero issue with facebook or any other private forum choosing what content they want to publish, but I have a big problem with the government doing it.  Do you have any evidence that this "disinformation board" actually succeeded in censoring anything?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28030173 - 11/02/22 08:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Which turned out to be true.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28030214 - 11/02/22 08:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

There is a pending criminal case:shrug:


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28033504 - 11/04/22 10:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Citing to a legitimate authority is not a logical fallacy,  though.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: mushboy]
    #28035315 - 11/05/22 07:55 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I think musk just wants to destroy the platform


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28036820 - 11/06/22 04:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I posted the lie Tulsi Gabbard told on Twitter about children being “mutilated” by gender affirming treatments.



And I posted an article saying that she wasn't lying.
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a Texas doctor says he's also provided sex-changing treatment to an increasing number of children; so has a clinic at Children's Hospital Los Angeles where the 8-year-old is a patient.






Treatment isn't mutilation.  He didn't say he did surgery.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28040646 - 11/08/22 05:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I think musk just wants to destroy the platform



Twitter tells advertisers that user growth is at ‘all-time highs’ under Elon Musk



Dollars to donuts that it's simply not true.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28040652 - 11/08/22 05:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of newly registered accounts for propaganda purposes.  Whether there are a lot of new users, however, is a different question.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28052225 - 11/15/22 06:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Well anyone who wants to post about conspiracy nonsense should have put a disclaimer saying it hasn't been proven to be true.



That means Russia-Gate discussions would have be banned.  :shocked:



There is a difference between a conspiracy theory and an actual conspiracy.  Russians actually did conspire to interfere with the election.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28053166 - 11/15/22 05:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I am not in Trump's head.  It is very possible that he did illegal things with Russia.  It is also very possible that he committed crimes.  I am not privy to the universe of information out there.

The DOJ can investigate anyone for any crime or potential crime.  Coordination between trump and a russian hacker could very well be a crime, depending on the substance of that coordination.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28053219 - 11/15/22 05:36 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I am not in Trump's head.  It is very possible that he did illegal things with Russia.  It is also very possible that he committed crimes.  I am not privy to the universe of information out there.

The DOJ can investigate anyone for any crime or potential crime.  Coordination between trump and a russian hacker could very well be a crime, depending on the substance of that coordination.



You don't have to be in Trump's head to determine if the DOJ had probable cause to investigate Trump.

The bottom line is that they investigated a potential crime, and couldn't find one.



They don't need probable cause to investigate trump.  Why should Trump have special privileges?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28053378 - 11/15/22 06:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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They don't need probable cause to investigate trump.  Why should Trump have special privileges?



To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?



Yes.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28053658 - 11/15/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?



That is exactly what he is saying.  You expose your if ignorance about US law more and more.  Probable cause is needed for a search warrant.




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To be clear, are you saying the DOJ can start an investigation on anyone it wants for no reason?



Yes.




I'll admit I didn't know that and I find it rather surprising.

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They don't need probable cause to investigate trump.  Why should Trump have special privileges?



Did Trump get special privileges by being investigated?  Why didn't they investigate Biden for his potential Ukraine and China connections?



How do you know they didn't?

If they didn't, it's likely because they felt it would be a waste of time and resources.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28053661 - 11/15/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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My point was why assume it was a lie.  I doubt Biden knows much more about vaccines than the average American, which is not a whole lot.  Biden's statement was likely the truth as he knew it at the time. :shrug:. I'm sure there have been plenty of times Biden and every other president has lied intentionally, and ideally politicians would be as honest as they can, but I'm not naive and don't expect that ever to happen.  In this particular instance that you used as an example though, it just seems unlikely that he was lying.  It's not lying to be wrong, and furthermore it's a topic many people don't have a strong understanding of.  When the vaccines came out, most people thought they would make you immune to the disease, despite the fact that no vaccine in history has ever been that good.

Edit: posting on phone really makes this a wall of text



Falcon has previously explained that he thinks any false statement is a lie regardless of whether the person believed the statement to be true at the time the statement was made.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: budmanman]
    #28054057 - 11/16/22 07:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Trump isn't a liar he just says stuff that isn't true that he didn't know at the time.



It's certainly clear that trump doesn't know much, but he also says a lot of things that he knows to be untrue when he says it.  That makes him a liar.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: iggyhiggy]
    #28054061 - 11/16/22 07:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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My point was why assume it was a lie.  I doubt Biden knows much more about vaccines than the average American, which is not a whole lot.  Biden's statement was likely the truth as he knew it at the time. :shrug:. I'm sure there have been plenty of times Biden and every other president has lied intentionally, and ideally politicians would be as honest as they can, but I'm not naive and don't expect that ever to happen.  In this particular instance that you used as an example though, it just seems unlikely that he was lying.  It's not lying to be wrong, and furthermore it's a topic many people don't have a strong understanding of.  When the vaccines came out, most people thought they would make you immune to the disease, despite the fact that no vaccine in history has ever been that good.

Edit: posting on phone really makes this a wall of text



Falcon has previously explained that he thinks any false statement is a lie regardless of whether the person believed the statement to be true at the time the statement was made.




BUT, at the same time,


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a sincere question just to make your point and methods clear, i mentioned a few examples of misreprentations (as i said 'non-technically fake news') from RT, and in particular their tendency to one sided reports, often without fact-checking. Would you also consider a similar behaviour from a news outlet (be it RT, CNN or The Daily Stocazzo) 'fake news'?

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No.  I consider fake news when you intentionally lie about something.










So it depends every time



Actually, there's no inconsistency there.  He said "intentionally lie."  If he believed a lie required intent, that would be redundant.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28057958 - 11/18/22 09:49 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

A quote from your linked article:

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a report published by MIT showed that Twitter lost over 1 million accounts ever since he took over.




Another

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We have observed an uptick in people deactivating their accounts and also Twitter suspending accounts," said Christopher Bouzy, founder of the anti-disinformation and bot tracker platform Bot Sentinel.




Yet another

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As per the report, 3.1 million accounts on Twitter were analysed, out of which around 877,000 accounts were deactivated and a further 497,000 were suspended between October 27 and November 1. "That's more than double the usual number," it said.




Musk may be able to leverage his lies.  He's done it before.  That won't ultimately save twitter though.


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