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Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! * 6
    #28027798 - 11/01/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinformation

So far, the mainstream news appears to be avoiding this topic, though I suspect that will soon change.

Lots of good articles from non-mainstream sources.  Fox hasn't even posted Tucker Carlson's segment on this (but that's in the Steve Turley video below)

Breitbart
31 Oct 22
Report: Twitter and Facebook Had Regular Meetings with DHS on Censoring Americans



Lots of other sources are starting to pick up this story


For those who proclaimed "we like censorship by private corporations because it shows we have free speech!", this looks like censorship is being done by the Government.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #28085072 - 12/05/22 05:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Musk’s acquisition of Twitter is not just the whim of an individual plutocrat - it's a step towards resolving some of the current contradictions within the capitalist class; between authoritarian-nationalism and neoliberal business-as-usual. Whatever changes Musk introduces, they will surely reflect his class interests as the world’s richest man. If you hadn't reduced the varied criticisms of Elon's claims to 'people must hate freedom', you wouldn't have to wait another week to start understanding this.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: chopstick] * 3
    #28066292 - 11/23/22 05:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I think this thread has more or less proven that leftists are choppy is fine with big tech censorship so long as it benefits them. They will find any excuse, any justification to explain it away as being okay.

Of course if it were the other way around, and twitter/facebook/reddit etc were dominated by conservatives going overboard on censoring leftist talking points, then suddenly they would find a problem with it.






To be clear, I'm neither surprised nor bothered by big tech censorship - it's just absolutely hilarious watching you and fal do complete 180s on all those lofty ideals you once pretended to have.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28113660 - 12/27/22 06:34 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No imagination required.  The OP has been confirmed.

"But guys, censorship is ok if the Government isn't involved!"

:lol:  :shake:



Let me quote that for you

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I thought you guys would agree there are reasons to limit certain speech (even shivas.wisdom appears to have agreed).  Are you saying Twitter should allow people to post kiddie porn, dox someone, etc?

I think common sense limitations are ok, but banning someone simply because you don't like their message is not.




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28161686 - 01/28/23 05:14 PM (11 months, 23 days ago)

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And what are Republican political interests?  FREE SPEECH for both sides




Nobody here is dumb enough to believe that.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] * 3
    #28207248 - 02/27/23 07:34 PM (10 months, 24 days ago)

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koods said:
He’s trumps inside man at the FCC. He drinks from oversized mugs.




https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/10/31/president-obama-announces-another-key-administration-post

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WASHINGTON, DC – Today, President Barack Obama announced his intent to nominate the following individual to a key Administration post:

Ajit Varadaraj Pai- Commissioner, Federal Communications Commission




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28325153 - 05/18/23 04:52 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Yes.

By the way, that article also shows Twitter is fighting the Turkish censorship law.



This is a more recent development that only occured after the election weekend; whereas the initial censorship occurred immediately before the election.

According to Twitter, the five relevant court orders were issued on 29.08.2018, 01.05.2020, 01.05.2020, 17.04.2023, and 20.04.2023. I would question the urgency to act on these old decisions (particularly those from 2018 and 2020) hours before the elections; especially considering there was no explicit reference to the throttling threats in the communications sent by Turkish authorities (provided by Twitter here). Especially when taken into consideration along with other recent developments at Twitter - like the decision (as of 15.04.2023) to stop sharing takedown notices with a transparency database dedicated to tracking such actions.

Maybe it's all on the up-and-up, but it certainly has enough oddities to warrant a healthy amount of doubt. I've seen you be more critical of shroomery bans, and I've seen your unceasing questioning for why those with opinions you agree with would be censored on social media; so your complete inability to challenge Elon-Twitter in these type of situations tolls far louder than your cries of 'free speech'.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28325290 - 05/18/23 06:37 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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As shivas.wisdom just pointed out, countries can throttle content they don't want.



Please don't put words in my mouth. You have a habit of misrepresenting to suit your purpose, so either quote me directly or refrain from using my name in support of your claims.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 3
    #28459552 - 09/05/23 01:46 PM (4 months, 20 days ago)

FW told me all the other social media sites censor non mainstream views.  Now you're telling me that Tucker is on YouTube?  What the fuck is going on here?  Is Tucker mainstream or is FW just totally misinformed?  I refuse to believe either of those things could be true, but one or both must be. 🤔


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9] * 3
    #28515217 - 10/23/23 12:00 PM (3 months, 3 days ago)

Yeah but Trashipedia is hopelessly compromised with CIA propaganda in just about every single topic where there is a political agenda at work, so there's that. It's full of misinformation and outright lies at every level.

Infact it's gotten so bad that Wikipedia should basically be avoided entirely just like CNN unless you are using it to research something that is non-political and which nobody with ulterior motives has tampered with.

So you know what, I really don't care what Wales has to say about Elon Musk because he is full of shit and so is his platform. Wales being the pussy that he is won't even acknowledge that his platform is compromised to the point that it can no longer be used for anything other than researching junk topics and ancient history.

And let's be honest, the only reason you are reading stuff like this is because the media is still continuing its anti-Elon crusade after Elon Musk threatened the establishment and their stranglehold on the flow of information. Crazy how they can just put in the "hate Elon Musk" NPC brainchip into people like you like that and you won't even question it.

Screw the media and Shitpedia


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28027802 - 11/01/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So much for Trump being a champion of free speech, lol

But that video you posted....lol...dude...you watch some real crazy shit.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28027899 - 11/01/22 02:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
For those who proclaimed "we like censorship by private corporations because it shows we have free speech!", this looks like censorship is being done by the Government.



You still don't seem to understand the right to free expression if you think this implies a contradiction. The state forcing private entities to either publish or censor speech is a violation of free expression both ways.

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On the other hand, I'm not sure why you're seemingly so bothered by this, as it's exactly the type of censorship you've claimed to want. From the first article you linked:
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[...]designed to police misinformation (false information spread unintentionally), disinformation (false information spread intentionally), and malinformation (factual information shared, typically out of context, with harmful intent) that allegedly threatens U.S. interests.





And this is an example of you explaining your position on state censorship:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
[...]I'm not against differing opinions, but I'm against intentionally fake news.

How do you determine if something is "intentionally fake"?  The same way you determine if someone committed any other crime - through the court system.






So what exactly is your issue with the US state censoring intentionally fake news?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28068815 - 11/25/22 01:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Is it really such a stretch to believe that they deserved the ban? Perhaps they broke the rules?

You can't prove more conservative content was removed. You made it up.

So it really comes down to you not liking that the people who broke the rules were punished because they are your people.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28069111 - 11/25/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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It's weird how I've been fighting censorship for years, and everyone keeps telling me that private companies have a right to censor, and now when a private company is choosing to allow free speech, people are melting.



You got that backwards - people are laughing at your sudden pivot to defending censorship (see: Russian censorship laws; Twitter under Elon Musk) whenever you perceive the censorship in question as beneficial.

Go ahead and quote those melting posts you refer to - I know you certainly won't find any from me - but I can find numerous occasions where you argue in favour of courts determining legitimate speech or that impersonation is a ban worthy TOS violation, because the censorship in question suits you.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28078166 - 12/01/22 01:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Once again, let's see if his account gets reinstated after Twitter amnesty.



Why do you hate free speech? Why are you actively supporting twitter deciding what people can and cannot say? You sir, are a communist.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28083306 - 12/04/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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First of all, I don't believe in censorship at all, other than complying with current law, so you saying I like the current censorship model IS most certainly make believe.




Bald-faced lie.

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I know you trust CNN.

Obviously this CNN article is biased, putting an interesting spin on a new law just passed there that requires those outlets to tell the truth about the Ukraine war.  I wished we had the same law in the US.




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28084686 - 12/05/22 12:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Maybe your problem is that you don’t seem to understand the argument. Elon musk was never going to be able to offer the kind of free speech you want. We’re laughing at the simping and how gullible you and Greenwald are. An oligarch is going to save the common man. Holy fuck how clueless.



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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera] * 2
    #28086653 - 12/06/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Dude, calm the fuck down.  You are a ball of emotions and are not using logic.

1. It is ILLEGAL (1A) for the Government to request a private entity censor speech of citizens.
2. Governemnt (FBI) should NOT be LYING about information in an attempt to withhold said information from American Citizens we have a RIGHT to know.  It is NOT about Hunter Biden.  It is about Joe Biden and his pay for play activities with our direct adversaries.
3.  Russiagate was a LIE.  It was a complete fabrication by the FBI, at the behest of the DNC and HRC to attempt to alter the outcome of an election and then to remove a sitting, elected POTUS.  There is no debating this.

These are really, really bid deals.

Dude, your hardon for a man you don’t know, where you are simply puppeting and parroting what activists stuff down your neck is embarrassing.  Be less clueless, more informed and much, much more discerning with your analysis.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #28093302 - 12/11/22 12:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yes, those are all true things.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 2
    #28095575 - 12/13/22 08:21 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Imagine spending 50 billion just so you can avoid paying the plane tracker guy 50k to stop posting.


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