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Duggstar


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Looks like P. Fimetaria to me. I would send a few dried samples to http://www.alvalab.es/ for DNA sequencing.
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electric_sandwich
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Re: Some "Wavy Cap" Fimetaria research - Europe 2022 [Re: Duggstar]
#28025490 - 10/31/22 01:20 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Duggstar said: Looks like P. Fimetaria to me. I would send a few dried samples to http://www.alvalab.es/ for DNA sequencing.
That's a great idea. I will do that.
I think I will sequence a large specimen whose cap tends to undulate and which shows a blue reaction.
I will also send one of the young specimens with the white flakes. They look like some psathyrella or deconica sp. in the juvenile stage. But I have not seen any photos of young fimetaria with those white flakes. This could be interesting. Because in my opinion, these are the same fungi that later form these large flat and sometimes wavy caps.
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Duggstar


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I will also send one of the young specimens with the white flakes.
Those are Psathyrella. They look like Psathyrella hirta, but there's a few other species that grow on dung that I don't have pictures or descriptions of, so there might be other possibilities.
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Duggstar


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Re: Some "Wavy Cap" Fimetaria research - Europe 2022 [Re: Duggstar]
#28026935 - 10/31/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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If you're gonna send 2 batches, I would definitely send some of the more typical looking fimetaria ones, and I would choose to send some of the more wavy looking ones as my second. I would be much more interested to seeing that comparison than finding out which species of Psathyrella that is tbh.
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Re: Some "Wavy Cap" Fimetaria research - Europe 2022 [Re: Duggstar]
#28027369 - 11/01/22 04:20 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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hahaha..
You seem to be very sure about your assumption regarding Psathyrella hirta. I am inclined to agree with you.
But.. see what I got in another mushroom forum:

This illustration comes from "Ludwig, Erhard 2001: Pilzkompendium Band 1".
According to this, Fimetaria can also show some flaky remnants of the velum on the cap. Nevertheless, also the other mushroom forum members from where I got this illustration were very sure about Psathyrella hirta in my pictures. But as I said: I did not find any obvious adult hirtas on this meadow. The two Psathyrella you spotted in one of my indoor photos I would possibly address as Ps. corrugis. I found adult specimens of these only at the edge of the forest.
So maybe I will send 3 samples.... The research will be quite nice expensive
Edited by electric_sandwich (11/01/22 04:21 AM)
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DH42
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Awesome work with the photos, you documented your find very well. Almost certainly P. fimetaria. It is worth noting that P. fimetaria can have very white, flakey and distinct velar remnants on the cap, like the ones in your pictures. However, Deconica coprophila can also display this. Based on the fact that most of the mushrooms in that area seem to be P. fimetaria, I would say the flakey young specimens may also be P. fimetaria
-------------------- Have a look at the subreddit r/fimetaria!
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electric_sandwich said: hahaha..
You seem to be very sure about your assumption regarding Psathyrella hirta. I am inclined to agree with you.
But.. see what I got in another mushroom forum:

This illustration comes from "Ludwig, Erhard 2001: Pilzkompendium Band 1".
According to this, Fimetaria can also show some flaky remnants of the velum on the cap. Nevertheless, also the other mushroom forum members from where I got this illustration were very sure about Psathyrella hirta in my pictures. But as I said: I did not find any obvious adult hirtas on this meadow. The two Psathyrella you spotted in one of my indoor photos I would possibly address as Ps. corrugis. I found adult specimens of these only at the edge of the forest.
So maybe I will send 3 samples.... The research will be quite nice expensive
Young specimens of Fimetaria would have some velar remnants on the cap, but they would not be spiky like this, they would be flat. Also, I see spikes running down the stem on pic 6 of your first post. But it's your money, and it's up to you however you want to spend it at the end of the day.
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Re: Some "Wavy Cap" Fimetaria research - Europe 2022 [Re: Duggstar]
#28031158 - 11/03/22 01:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the new photo collection. I also think this is P. fimetaria now, but a bit strange that almost none have the distinct annular zone...
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Re: Some "Wavy Cap" Fimetaria research - Europe 2022 [Re: knarkkorven]
#28034012 - 11/05/22 08:46 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Bare in mind that the annular zone can wash / blow off from weathering, and this is more likely as the mushroom matures
-------------------- Have a look at the subreddit r/fimetaria!
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