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Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek * 2
    #28025620 - 10/31/22 05:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hey all :smile:

I am checking out Lemon Tek 3.5 grams of Golden Teachers. I have always taken my shrooms dried and alone (or with an orange). However, I might either be growing old (haha, not really) or something, but I am not feeling like having a six-eight hours trip, which usually lasts for me, regardless of dosage.

I believe that Lemon Tek will bring a faster onset, shorter trip (2-4 hours), and more intense. I am in for all three statements. However, I hate lemon, so it will be tough to drink; how about orange juice from fresh oranges juiced at home?

I got a little spoiled with DMT 😁since trips are not super long, have super fast onset, and it is somewhat easy to control the potency with dosage. But one of my Spirit Guides & Shaman's advice is that they are different medicines, and what I heal energetically with shrooms will be only with shrooms in addition to daily energy work. Eight hours is a biiiiiiit too long for my liking in my current times.

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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #28025668 - 10/31/22 07:09 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I've used apple cider vinegar to lower the ph on alkaloids before oral dosing. Can't remember if it was shrooms or not, might have been DMT. :tongue2:. Did work though.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: Northerner]
    #28025709 - 10/31/22 07:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

From what I read pH is higher for oranges so *maybe* not as much benefit on exposing psilocin as lemons, are limes an option? 
I say maybe as I don't know if why the lemon tek works (exposing psilocin) is completely understood.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: TibQ]
    #28025716 - 10/31/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Good luck. Be safe! It can surprise you, especially fresh mushrooms.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #28027627 - 11/01/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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AkashicExplorer said:
what I heal energetically with shrooms will be only with shrooms in addition to daily energy work.




I don't understand this sentence


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #28027636 - 11/01/22 10:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

you only need 1/4 of a lemon for 3.5g. lemons are way more acidic than oranges so yes there is a difference. if you can grind your 3.5g into a fine powder though then just soak it in boiling water - you might not need the lemons at all.
when i did 5g lemon tek my trip lasted exactly 2hrs (i have high tolerance though so i dunno if it'll be the same for you). just use enough lemon juice and water to fully soak your shrooms, add some honey. i don't like lemons either so the less i have to drink the better.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: acca]
    #28027679 - 11/01/22 11:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

When using the Lemon tek with mushrooms (psilocybin), the citric acid works to remove the phosphate group through dephosphorylation.

By removing the group from the psilocybin molecule, the psilocybin becomes psilocin. It’s the bioactive form of the substance, creating the same chemical reaction that happens in the stomach.

When someone takes psilocin instead of psilocybin, there can be less nausea after consuming the mushrooms using the Lemon tek. At the same time, bio availability rates rises.

People have reported starting to trip faster and the trip lasting less time in total but in my experience using a modified orange juice tek I have noticed faster onset but overall time does not seem to be effected.

This is a great way to consume mushroom especially if you have stomach issues.

EDIT: For a average does much less lemon is required then normally mentioned this is why I believe using a glass of fresh orange juice provides ample amounts of citric acid to complete the conversion.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: croyleje]
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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: croyleje]
    #28027766 - 11/01/22 12:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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When using the Lemon tek with mushrooms (psilocybin), the citric acid works to remove the phosphate group through dephosphorylation.

By removing the group from the psilocybin molecule, the psilocybin becomes psilocin. It’s the bioactive form of the substance, creating the same chemical reaction that happens in the stomach.






dude... you need to recheck your facts, it sounds wrong.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: acca]
    #28027772 - 11/01/22 12:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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When using the Lemon tek with mushrooms (psilocybin), the citric acid works to remove the phosphate group through dephosphorylation.

By removing the group from the psilocybin molecule, the psilocybin becomes psilocin. It’s the bioactive form of the substance, creating the same chemical reaction that happens in the stomach.






dude... you need to recheck your facts, it sounds wrong.






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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: Psatellite]
    #28027779 - 11/01/22 12:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)



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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: Psatellite]
    #28027973 - 11/01/22 03:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The more acidic the better the Tek will work, lemons are about 5-7x as acidic than oranges. You may convert some of the psilocybin into psilocin using orange, vs a lot with lemon. You can always soak the mushrooms in an acidic liquid and then sweeten, flavor or dilute it to drink.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: TibQ]
    #28028033 - 11/01/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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From what I read pH is higher for oranges so *maybe* not as much benefit on exposing psilocin as lemons, are limes an option? 
I say maybe as I don't know if why the lemon tek works (exposing psilocin) is completely understood.




Yes, limes work fine.

I use all 4 oz for up to 20g dried or wet



My anecdote.. don't strain the mushrooms! Drink them!


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: acca]
    #28028994 - 11/02/22 06:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thanks! (And thanks everyone!)

I am not a big fun by adding boiling water with shrooms. I believe psilocybin starts breaking down above 40 Celsius.

Can I skip the boiling water part?

I'll grind down the 3.5 grams, add quarter lemon juice with some water I presume and let it sit in the dark for about eight hours, right? Then, I can strain it, and ready to drink? Please, correct me if I am wrong!

My stomach is fine, it was a flavor thing, but I've drank worse (aya), and chewed much worse (truffles).


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: AkashicExplorer] * 2
    #28029007 - 11/02/22 06:20 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Psilocybin does start to break down over 40c, about 180c over that. It's a chemical and the physical properties are known.

Psilocybin is extremely soluble in hot water. Water is unable to get hot enough to damage the molecule. There is nothing to fear.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #28029143 - 11/02/22 08:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

you steep in lemon juice and hot water for 20-30min, then drink immediately.  psilocybin and psilocin start degrading when in contact with air (not hot water) - specifically oxygen . so you do not want to let it sit steeping for more than 30min.

i don't know that there is any research study that solidly proves the acid in lemon converts psilocybin to psilocin. to my knowledge, the whole point of lemon tek is to use the acid to extract the chemicals from the actual mushroom meat so it's readily available and your stomach won't have to work on digesting the mushroom meat which has chitin - which is what makes people nauseous. hot water does the same thing as the acid (breaks down mushroom cell walls and extracts the chemicals) that's why boiling water works too and especially if you don't like drinking lemons, use juice of 1/4 lemon + maybe 1/4 cup boiling water.

the side effect of this system is a faster come up and stronger more intense trip because you don't have to wait for your stomach to slowly digest and break down the mushrooms to get to the chemicals. if you have no issues with eating the actual mushrooms, then drink it along with the tea. 

you can also refer to this thread (last 2 pages) for more info on lemon tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19414552/fpart/4/vc/1


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #28029681 - 11/02/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Ive used orange juice before. It works pretty decent. I didnt strain the shrooms thou, i drank it altogether. I like pulpy OJ to hide the texture.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28030597 - 11/03/22 03:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Just listing the other alkaloids. Wish I could find more information about them.

It's just my curiosity.

The main alkaloids tryptamine/indolamine derivatives in mushrooms, exhibiting hallucinogenic properties, are psilocybin and psilocin (Fig. 5.2a, b) [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. In addition to the mentioned alkaloids, mushrooms also contain baeocystin, which is a derivative of the psilocybin and norbaeocystin

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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: Psatellite]
    #28030602 - 11/03/22 03:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I tried cranberry juice recently and it seemed to work just fine. It was quite tasty. It needs to be proper cranberry juice though, not the watered down stuff.


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Re: Orange Tek vs Lemon Tek [Re: acca]
    #28030604 - 11/03/22 03:12 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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you steep in lemon juice and hot water for 20-30min, then drink immediately.  psilocybin and psilocin start degrading when in contact with air (not hot water) - specifically oxygen . so you do not want to let it sit steeping for more than 30min.

i don't know that there is any research study that solidly proves the acid in lemon converts psilocybin to psilocin. to my knowledge, the whole point of lemon tek is to use the acid to extract the chemicals from the actual mushroom meat so it's readily available and your stomach won't have to work on digesting the mushroom meat which has chitin - which is what makes people nauseous. hot water does the same thing as the acid (breaks down mushroom cell walls and extracts the chemicals) that's why boiling water works too and especially if you don't like drinking lemons, use juice of 1/4 lemon + maybe 1/4 cup boiling water.

the side effect of this system is a faster come up and stronger more intense trip because you don't have to wait for your stomach to slowly digest and break down the mushrooms to get to the chemicals. if you have no issues with eating the actual mushrooms, then drink it along with the tea. 

you can also refer to this thread (last 2 pages) for more info on lemon tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19414552/fpart/4/vc/1





Why is there a side effect?

Sometimes, common sense wins.

If lemons do not convert psilocybin into psilocin, then why do the trips only last 2 hours? Why are they so more intense? It makes sense that citric acid converts psilocybin into psilocin.

How do you think your body converts psilocybin into psilocin? Hydrochloric acid. It's doing the same thing that your stomach does, just not as efficient.

And I don't need no source for that. Common sense


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