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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28031868 - 11/03/22 09:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Cannon fodder beats unequipped soldiers.

Ukraine's future as a country depends largely on US elections in 2024. Europe is a wildcard, they'll probably not be quite as cool with appeasement as a policy because they're next on the list.




Boiling Russia's invasion of Ukraine down to simple imperialism, with statements like "they are next on the list", is quite ignorant.




People really like to overthink in a way that makes their biases seem true. This is why Occam's razor exists.

But, for the sake of humor, let's assume that Russia will limit itself to the "legitimate grievance" of wanting a buffer between Russia and NATO. They fight a war, they capture territory in Ukraine, and now guess what? The Russian border is EVEN CLOSER to NATO! The need for war is even more obvious! Oh No!

It's pretty apparent what happened, in retrospect. Putin saw the US getting into a quagmire in Iraq, figured that the US would be less willing to support another war, and tested this theory in 2014 by annexing Crimea, timed with the Ebola panic. Finding that there were global repercussions, but they were small, he put a plan in motion: build an army, and simultaneously get an idiot manchild into office in the US, to prevent the US from effectively organizing the rest of the world against Russia. Unfortunately for Putin, his idiot manchild was too much of an idiot, and managed to break the streak of two term presidents that effectively meant US policy changed every eight years and not every four. But, it was too late to turn back, the army was built, the troops were riled up, how bad could Biden be? Turns out, Biden can be very effective. Welp, shit. Just gotta make it to 2025. Or maybe even 2023, because if republicans take both chambers of congress, they have already said they will abandon Ukraine. Now he needs to just send in enough cannon fodder to keep the war active until that happens, allowing him to send in the knockout push.

Plus, does Europe not get to have a legitimate grievance against Russia invading their buffer zone? Is that only a thing that Russia gets to claim?

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We have more untapped oil in this country than our nice alliance with the Saudis....more than Russia. Per the movie "There Will be Blood":

"If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw, my straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake. I. Drink. Your. Milkshake! I drink it up!"


And that's what the US has been doing, we consume others oil, while our milkshake is still full and frothy. I do agree that oil is big, but our military is by far the biggest factor of our supremacy.

Post Cold War, The United States has spent $19 trillion on its military ... thats $16 trillion more than China spent. The United States has been fighting conventional and unconventional wars on every continent for years. China has virtually nil battle hardened experince or leadership. They have a very very long way to go. That's why they learned English.




US oil is significantly lower quality than Saudi oil, and is significantly more expensive to process, to the point where it isn't even economically viable until oil hits something like 120/barrel. That's why we're busy trying to get OPEC to reverse their planned cuts in production instead of simply ramping domestic oil to cover the gap right now. Also, keep in mind that the biggest refinery in the US is owned by the state Saudi oil company. We don't even own our biggest refiner and oil processor.

Plus, our military relies on oil. It's one of, if not the biggest consumer of oil in this country.

China, on the other hand, has relied on infrastructure. We build guns, they build cities. Short term, guns are more important than cities. Long term, cities beat guns. China learned English because they did not have the economic, technological (first stolen, now shifting to homegrown), and infrastructure backbone that they needed to compete, until the last decade.

Now, Chinese industry is not only competitive with US companies domestically, they are starting to compete internationally. Plus, the state supports their industries to give them extra reach. With the recent trade wars, and even from a point of economic dominance, US companies are beginning to leave China. I know of at least three major US/EU chemical plants that are slated to shut down within the next year, because they are no longer able to compete within the Chinese market. They are being forced out. Visa tried to expand into China somewhat recently, but was not able to compete with UnionPay, the Chinese equivalent. UnionPay dominates the Chinese market to the point where Visa and Mastercard can't establish a foothold. That's why Xi is starting to decouple the Chinese economy from the US. That's why the zero covid policy was put in place. That's why China is relying on homemade vaccines, instead of using US vaccines. An interesting quote I read the other day:

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I got a taste of this in 2018 when I was in China talking with business and government figures. When I raised China’s unfair trade practices, the pushback sounded like this: “You realize that you Americans are too late? We’re too big to be pushed around anymore. You should have done this a decade ago.” I responded that that kind of hubris gets countries in trouble.




China may not be able to compete on a military basis (although I still think that is up for debate, because the US relies on a somewhat antiquated form of force projection via carrier strike group, while China seems to be leading in carrier-killer missile development), but how long will that be true? Sure, we have more guns, but guns alone don't win a war. You need soldiers, you need to supply those soldiers with resources, and you need to pay for the soldiers and the resources. And money comes from cities and infrastructure. Something that China has been building a lot faster than we have. As I said in maybe this thread, maybe another thread, China put itself in the position the US was 70 years ago. They have the base to continue growth long term.

We, on the other hand, excel in short term thinking. Like by selling the biggest refinery in the US to the Saudis for a quick buck. After all, shareholders demand quarterly profits, not decade-ly profits. State sponsored/controlled industry doesn't have that problem.

Here's what I think will happen in the near future: China is watching the Ukraine situation very closely. If we abandon Ukraine after a GOP sweep, China will test the waters by seizing Taiwan. If the reaction is a halfhearted rebuke from an isolationist GOP, which I think is quite likely, then they will begin to expand their sphere of power and military much more aggressively. After all, US military spending doesn't do much when the US leadership says they don't much care about Ukraine/Taiwan. If there is a forceful rebuke, they will wait another decade and build up to an equal footing. We don't have the patience, especially given the rising tide of political polarization and violence. They do. As long as they don't directly threaten the continental US, they will be able to gobble up the entire south pacific essentially unopposed. With those resources and their infrastructure development, this will make them an undisputed world power. And that will snowball.

Edit: relevant: during the recent CCP party congress, Xi said the word "security" more times than he said "economy", which was a first in over 40 years. He went so far as to say:

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“National security is the bedrock of national rejuvenation, and social stability is a prerequisite for building a strong and prosperous China.”




Sounds like a bit of a militaristic shift to me. Plus, building up a military would be a great way to solve China's youth underemployment, which is ballooning recently. Especially in rural areas. Places where young men have trouble finding wives and starting families, due to sex-selective abortions being more common out in the boonies during the one child policy.

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28032249 - 11/04/22 06:16 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Occam's razor lol...

Well, my post was one sentence, yours was 10 paragraphs, and includes wild conspiracy theories, like hijacking the US election. You realize that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been going on for quite some time, and Russia has made attempts to negotiate. It's not pretend.

Anywaaaays... I don't have a fucking bias for Russia, if that's what you're implying. I don't particularly like Russian (OR Ukrainian) culture... I don't like their food or their language. I don't like their Putin. I DO like their women, but only as objects of sexual gratification. I'm not rooting for Russia. When I was a kid my mom married a Russian bodybuilder, and he used to make me do push ups and jog for miles in the snow... So.. I am not a fan of Russians lol!

I am critical of a lot of the things my country does, and any good citizen should be critical of their leaders. That's part of keeping them accountable.

Edit: Also... China IS an undisputed world power... wtf are you talking about? You mean THE world power?


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28032270 - 11/04/22 06:58 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

they cant even feed their own people they have to import soybeans from the US otherwise they would be fucked.

some super power:shrug:

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I DO like their women, but only as objects of sexual gratification.




and we are full circle with the true intent of this thread.

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28032288 - 11/04/22 07:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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they cant even feed their own people they have to import soybeans from the US otherwise they would be fucked.

some super power:shrug:




Are you really suggesting that China is not a global super power? Do you realize how much shit WE import from China!?! lmaoooo!!!

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I DO like their women, but only as objects of sexual gratification.




and we are full circle with the true intent of this thread.




This thread does kinda feel like a circle jerk... woooo!

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28032297 - 11/04/22 07:43 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I said they can’t feed their own population.

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy]
    #28032302 - 11/04/22 07:51 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Let's not have a horrible conflict in my lifetime, k thanks.


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy]
    #28032342 - 11/04/22 08:29 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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they cant even feed their own people they have to import soybeans from the US otherwise they would be fucked.

some super power:shrug:

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I DO like their women, but only as objects of sexual gratification.




and we are full circle with the true intent of this thread.




Nah, they import them from Brazil since trump blew up the overseas soybean market.

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28032367 - 11/04/22 08:56 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I said they can’t feed their own population.




China most certainly is a super power in the world. To say otherwise is fucking retarded. I don't even know why I bother anymore... :rolleyes:


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28032371 - 11/04/22 09:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

i only said they were chitty.
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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy]
    #28032377 - 11/04/22 09:04 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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i only said they were chitty.
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I like their food.

They sure know how to make cat taste like Chicken, with a zesty plum sauce...


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28032423 - 11/04/22 10:09 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Do you realize how much shit WE import from China!?! lmaoooo!!!



No kidding!

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28032442 - 11/04/22 10:21 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I said they can’t feed their own population.



China has nearly 20% of the world's population, and feeds 22% of the world.

They import soybeans mainly to feed their pigs.


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28032474 - 11/04/22 10:46 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

…and pigs are used for??

They starve guess who can’t eat them. Your 22% sounds like bs.

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: mushboy]
    #28032487 - 11/04/22 11:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The US imports 15% of its food.  Does that mean we can't feed our population?  :flowstone:

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Your 22% sounds like bs.



I've got this.  What do you have saying otherwise?


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    #28032492 - 11/04/22 11:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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…and pigs are used for??

They starve guess who can’t eat them. Your 22% sounds like bs.




You're banned from life. Sorry dude.


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    #28032493 - 11/04/22 11:07 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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The US imports 15% of its food.  Does that mean we can't feed our population?  :flowstone:

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Your 22% sounds like bs.



I've got this.  What do you have saying otherwise?




He's saying that without soybeans they wouldn't be able to feed their pigs, which means they would starve... I wonder how much pork China consumes?

I'm pretty sure China could figure out how to feed themselves, if they weren't able to import their food. They've been doing it for thousands of years. They've been a global super power for thousands of years.


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28033320 - 11/04/22 08:29 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Tulsi Gabbard campaigned this week in Illinois for the GOP candidate for Governor. The guy has no chance at all to win. She was here to get a couple photo ops to establish her Republican bone fides.


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    #28033376 - 11/04/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Tulsi Gabbard campaigned this week in Illinois for the GOP candidate for Governor. The guy has no chance at all to win. She was here to get a couple photo ops to establish her Republican bone fides.




I guess party doesn't really matter anymore. It's kind of funny.


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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #28033389 - 11/04/22 09:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Party matters a ton. Tulsi is a republican who called herself a democrat because she knew republicans can't win in Hawaii.

That's literally an example of how much party matters.

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Re: If Tulsi Gabbard never becomes the president of the USA then the USA is most likely fucked. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28033474 - 11/04/22 09:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Tulsi Gabbard campaigned this week in Illinois for the GOP candidate for Governor. The guy has no chance at all to win. She was here to get a couple photo ops to establish her Republican bone fides.




She campaigned with Kari Lake in AZ. Lake is like Sarah Palin on steroids


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