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[GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement
    #28020383 - 10/27/22 09:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement
October 27, 2022 - Associated Press

ATLANTA — Dana and John Pope had never heard of kratom before their 23-year-old son, Ethan, was found dead on the kitchen floor in his apartment last December with his puppy by his side.

Extracted from the leaves of a tropical tree native to Southeast Asia, kratom is used to make capsules, powders and liquids and is marketed as an aid for pain, anxiety and drug dependence. In Georgia and some other states, it’s often sold at gas stations and smoke shops.

A Georgia Bureau of Investigation autopsy found that Ethan Pope died from mitragynine intoxication and had no alcohol or illegal drugs in his system. Mitragynine is a psychoactive compound in kratom, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

Dana and John Pope have filed a wrongful death lawsuit against about a dozen people, companies and organizations connected to the manufacturing, marketing and sale of kratom.

They don’t know how long their son had been using kratom, but he must have been experiencing adverse effects, Dana Pope said at a news conference Thursday. In his apartment, they found a to-do list with one task that stuck out: Stop taking kratom.

The lawsuit was originally filed in May and an expanded version was filed earlier this week. The lawyers who filed the suit said they want to send a message that kratom is unsafe for human consumption.

“The kratom industry claims that it is a natural, completely safe substance that can lead to greater health and well-being,” lawyer Matt Wetherington said. “However, even if that were true, the kratom that is sold in the United States is ultra-concentrated and is more similar to heroin or other opioids.”

Proponents of kratom say it’s a safe, natural herbal supplement that can help manage pain and ease the effects of opioid withdrawal.

Ethan Pope bought bottles of O.P.M.S. Liquid Kratom in the days before his death. Liquid kratom shots are especially dangerous, “because they are intended to provide consumers with higher concentrations of mitragynine, substantially increasing the risk of overdose and death,” the lawsuit says.

The lawsuit alleges that producers of kratom illegally import it by misclassifying it as an agricultural product and have begun producing, marketing and selling concentrated forms of kratom.

Kratom acts as a stimulant in low doses and a sedative at high doses. It can be addictive and can cause hallucinations, delusions and confusion, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

The FDA has not approved any uses for kratom and “continues to warn consumers not to use any products labeled as containing kratom.” It issued an import alert in 2014 allowing the seizure of kratom as an unapproved drug.

U.S. health officials said in a report released in 2019 that kratom was a cause in 91 overdose deaths in 27 states. While most of those who died had also taken heroin, fentanyl or other drugs, kratom was the only substance detected in seven of the deaths.

The defendants in the lawsuit were negligent in their “duty to prevent foreseeable injuries arising from the use of their products,” the lawsuit says. That duty includes making truthful statements about the risks and side effects of kratom and ensuring that the product is consistent in its purity and potency, it states.

Ethan Pope used the kratom products for their intended purpose and the defendants “did not provide adequate warnings and instructions that an ordinary consumer would expect, and the inadequate warnings made the kratom products more dangerous than an ordinary consumer would expect,” the lawsuit says.

Optimized Plant Mediated Solutions, or O.P.M.S., which the lawsuit says manufactured the kratom that Ethan Pope used, is named as a defendant. The company did not immediately respond to a request for comment submitted Thursday via a form on its website.

The lawsuit also alleges that the American Kratom Association, a trade organization, invites consumers to rely on “false, misleading, and materially incomplete medical claims” regarding kratom. It has pushed legislation in numerous states that it says is meant to protect consumers but that actually facilitates the selling of an unpredictable and dangerous drug, said Drew Ashby, a lawyer for the Popes.

“It is unfortunate and disappointing that Georgia is one of the few states in the country that allows this to be sold legally with actual legislation,” Ashby said, referencing a 2019 law that restricted the sale of kratom to people over 18 and implemented labeling requirements that the lawsuit says are not followed.

Daniel Delnero, a lawyer for the association denied the claims against it.

“The American Kratom Association is a consumer advocacy group dedicated to education and responsible use of Kratom. It was improperly added to this lawsuit, and we will vigorously defend the spurious claims against it,” he said in an emailed statement.

The lawsuit asks for damages and seeks a jury trial.

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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: veggie]
    #28020450 - 10/27/22 09:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The "stop taking kratom" note..fuck, that's sad. I wonder if he had a big seizure or something.


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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: Eminence]
    #28020568 - 10/27/22 11:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

more people would be dying if it were legitimately dangerous

one kid misused it. fuck the parents for suing.


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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #28020571 - 10/28/22 12:01 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Another news report on his death confirms no alcohol or illegal drugs in his system, but states he had both Hydroxyzine (an antihistamine) and Citalopram (an SSRI antidepressant) in his system.

The WebMD Drugs Interaction Checker indicates "hydroxyzine increases toxicity of citalopram by causing a dangerous abnormal heart rhythm. This combination increases the risk of abnormal heartbeats."

If he had an undiagnosed heart condition, those two drugs together could have killed him without any kratom added. The recent stories regarding the lawsuit neglect to mention that. I'll track down the toxicology report which should provide more insight.

I suppose kratom could cause death under certain circumstances, but it is extremely rare. Death from aspirin, acetaminophen, or houseplants would be much more common.

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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: veggie]
    #28020572 - 10/28/22 12:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

this makes a lot more sense


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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: split_by_nine]
    #28020942 - 10/28/22 08:52 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I don't know about that...I think probably more Americans have safely combined Atarax and Celexa than have ever taken kratom. My 80 year old mother included who has multiple heart conditions.

Kratom is known to cause seizures, fairly commonly in fact, and hydroxyzine WD can lower the seizure threshold.

He could have become non-compliant, skipped his hydroxyzine dose the night before, taken a large dose of kratom, then boom dead on the kitchen floor.

Kratom isn't as harmless as we would all like to pretend...do I think its dangerous enough to warrant an outright ban? No. But I am also not sure its safe enough to be sold to ignorant consumers in head shops, especially not in extract or "enhanced leaf" form.

Kratom on its own is relatively safe, but its got so many targets of action and so little research done, that there are many possible ways for it to become dangerous when combined with other seemingly innocuous medications.

The problem being that neither consumers nor doctors are aware of what combinations may prove dangerous...and instead of research and education, all society has to offer them is insistence on abstention.

Edited by Holybullshit (10/28/22 09:03 AM)

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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: Holybullshit]
    #28021504 - 10/28/22 02:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I was wondering when it would show up.  They’re gearing up for another “make kratom illegal” push and these always coincide with those pushes..  Timing is everything after all.

I encourage everyone to keep a close eye on this back and forth because it mirrors things like vaping where when a group wants to ban something there is no move too low.  It’s a good exercise in seeing their play book and how low some of these political folks can go + they’ve been attempting to ban it for so long you can see about 4 cycles of attempt/fail/regroup/attempt/fail etc and all the angles they work.

Haven’t heard anyone die from vaping lately..


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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: Amanita86]
    #28021655 - 10/28/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Just one reason against sketchy research chemicals and polydrug use.

Take away all the synthetics, and not GRAS solvents, etc, etc, and the plant is a timelesss cureall.

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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: veggie]
    #28021688 - 10/28/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Suing people over their son's death doesn't make any sense. If I became addicted to kratom and started using so frequently that my health and life were at risk and I died from it, I would not want a lawsuit to be filed against the producers/manufacturers that I bought kratom from, because I would be the only one that died(the article said like 90 people have died from it but only 7 of them had only kratom in their systems, so other drugs/factors contributed to their deaths, so obviously extremely rare and I wouldn't use kratom with other drugs), meaning that there was a problem with me, not the kratom. That would just be an asshole thing to do. If I died from my own overuse, the right thing to do would be to just accept responsibility for my actions, and not try to ruin kratom's reputation or get it banned. He's 23, an adult, not 10,  and he was making his own choices, just like I'd be if I was addicted to kratom.

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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: veggie] * 1
    #28021739 - 10/28/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Extracts and "enhanced leaf" should be illegal.  The whole safety in straight leaf lies in the fact that you will vomit long before you can overdose.

Interactions with other drugs I know nothing about, so can't comment on that.  But it would be a lot safer if only straight leaf were available.


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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: Forrester]
    #28022632 - 10/29/22 10:28 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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This super high concentration can be felt with just a drop or two of the extract added to your tea or coffee.



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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: durian_2008]
    #28024055 - 10/30/22 06:55 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The Kratom industry is digging their own grave...should just stick to whole leaf.

But of course when the government finally does act it won't be to ban just extracts and concentrates.

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Re: [GA] Parents sue over son’s death after he took kratom supplement [Re: Holybullshit]
    #28024318 - 10/30/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

They made a point to say he didn’t have any illegal drugs in his system, wonder what “legal” drugs he had in his system other than kratom...

I have seen people take like 5-10 shots back to back and then just start puking and damn near die, but that’s obvious misuse...can’t protect people from make bad choices either, all we can do is punish the public as much as possible!!!

I’ll say that Kratom for me...god send. But just like in countless cases of ODs, and drunk driving, people make bad choices, and then it’s everyone’s consequences.

Maybe the Kratom industry will get lucky and just have to start aggressively labeling products with risks. Similar to alchohal


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