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What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? * 1
    #28016261 - 10/25/22 04:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

"I don't have any friends': School shooter had note, 600 rounds"


I think we've been too focused on the guns and not focused enough on the main causes. I think schools need to find a better way to unite all the students and to pay better attention to loners and helping to find ways to include them. It shouldn't be that hard when you think about it. The loner kids a pretty easy to spot. I wonder how many school shootings could have been stopped if their fellow students or teachers helped to include them into some school club or something. Or if people would have just been a bit nicer to them.

I think we need to seriously think twice about prescribing kids SSRIs as well. I think it destroys their ability to really perceive things in a realistic way and kind of eliminates their ability to feel the consequences of their actions. It numbs them out it seems like. Combine that with loneliness and a dysfunctional family and you have a ticking time bomb imo.

Not to mention the way the media hypes up these events. If they actually wanted school shootings to stop happening as often, they probably wouldn't even report on them. As often it seems the notoriety of the event seems to be a big factor for a lot of these shooters as well. Having been in a world where no one knew they existed to know the entire nation and world knowing what their name is.

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336] * 1
    #28016277 - 10/25/22 04:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The factors that lead someone to shoot up a school have been present throughout human history, teenagers having instant access to weapons designed for mass murder has not

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #28016304 - 10/25/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Teenagers have had access to semi and automatic rifles, not to mention shotguns, pistols, etc etc, for quite a long time. Teenagers using them to commit mass murder at school is a relatively new phenomena if I'm not mistaken.

To me it seems to be more a side-effect of cultural change as well as pharmaceutical usage.


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336]
    #28016370 - 10/25/22 05:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

As technology advances people become more socially isolated.  Video games brought friends together at the beginning.  Now it's all online which put everyone alone in their rooms.

Social media makes meeting people a thing of the past.  Why meet when we can text.  Hell why talk when we can text?

The system that forces people to work extra long for wages that can't make them get ahead or even keep up.

Low economic mobility.

The easy access to guns.

Put a drop of sociopathy and voila!  Mass shooters galore.


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336]
    #28016377 - 10/25/22 05:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Teenagers have had access to semi and automatic rifles, not to mention shotguns, pistols, etc etc, for quite a long time. Teenagers using them to commit mass murder at school is a relatively new phenomena if I'm not mistaken.

To me it seems to be more a side-effect of cultural change as well as pharmaceutical usage.




School shootings have been happening here since the 1800s...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)

Most school shooters aren't on psych meds, despite the fact that nearly all of them likely fit the criteria for any number of pathologies. There's no evidence linking antidepressants to school shootings.

With social media and the news, every kid has seen coverage of handfuls of school shootings. A certain subset of those kids think "Damn, I wish I could do something like that." Whether it's because they want to cause pain, get revenge, they want fame, they hate themselves, psychosis, nihilism... it's probably a different story for every one of them. School shootings would be nearly non-existent though if it were at all challenging for them to get their hands on such effective people-killers.

That said, school shootings are extremely rare and essentially a non-issue compared to all the other ways our country is fucked up

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336]
    #28016392 - 10/25/22 05:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

All behavior is motivated - in this case there are likely multiple factors that contribute. Part of the answer can be uncovered by exploring the roots of human misery. I believe human misery is mostly fueled by deficits - critical needs of humans that when not met result in profound negative repercussions. This is a good topic for the psychology forum.   

You use the term "loner". I think, especially in the US, society has become so unraveled (to the point of disintegration) that most kids are loners to some degree. A lack of a cohesive stable social group can create angry empty souls. Kids are spending 8 hours a day on screen time. That has a big impact. Mass shootings can provide relief from feelings of powerlessness. Outward violence is a symptom of inner violence and self-aggression.     

My son (a registered Democrat) recently said, "There's no such thing as multi-cultural".  Which seems correct since a culture is homogenous (to a large degree) and lacks diversity. I think the American melting pot experiment has failed. Everyone is clutching their favorite identity, trying desperately to be part of a group. It is sad. Maybe the multi-cultural model can succeed, but it hasn't in the US.  Many European countries are open about this fact - but in the US you'll be called a racist for bringing it up.   

I live in an apartment complex of 200 people. Half of the people here I can't speak to, because I don't know their language and they don't know mine. Does that have a harmful effect on everyone?  I say absolutely.  Yes indeed. 

Pharmaceutical usage can fuel suicide / violence.  Amen.

Not a subject most people are willing to discuss. Meds are seen as sacred.

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28016452 - 10/25/22 05:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Pharmaceutical usage can fuel suicide / violence.  Amen.

Not a subject most people are willing to discuss. Meds are seen as sacred.




Meds aren't seen as sacred... psych meds are extremely stigmatized. Every Karen in the world will be the first to lecture you about how you should get off your zoloft and start like doing yoga and drinking gluten free alkaline water instead

Lots of things can fuel suicide and violence. They're far from perfect, but pharmaceutical/psychiatric drugs limit violence and self harm exponentially more than they contribute to it.

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: feevers]
    #28016470 - 10/25/22 06:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

All I know is my experience with SSRIs were terrible. Made me feel like I didn't care about anything; whilst simultaneously feeling like I was undergoing electro-shock therapy the whole time. Shit was terrible. If I or some people, I knew had been on that shit grown up I fear what we might have done.

I personally feel SSRIs are like cough medicine. They just cover up the actual problems causing the negative feelings. imo


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336]
    #28016486 - 10/25/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

My experience with weed typically makes me feel like I'm having a heart attack, respiratory failure, and going into psychosis simultaneously. I don't project my own experience onto the benefits and enjoyment that it may give to other people though.

No one wants to be on psychiatric meds, there's a lot of over-prescribing, some under-prescribing,... the whole system is a mess. For a lot of people though their medication is the one thing keeping them functional and keeping life worth living. For many others their medication is the only thing keeping them from hurting themselves or others

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: feevers]
    #28016490 - 10/25/22 06:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Maybe you're right. I just don't like the way it zombifies a lot of people. But hey if it helps you who am I to say different. Chemicals do seem to effect people differently.


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336] * 1
    #28017950 - 10/26/22 04:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

School shooters are created by a perceived loss of masculine status, as well as the growing association between guns/violence and being a True Manly Man.

The vast majority of school shooters do not meet the criteria for a mental illness diagnosis, unless you consider "carried out a mass shooting" to be evidence of mental illness. While that could be an argument, it is a pointless one, because it results in the circular logic of "he was mentally ill because he carried out a mass shooting and he carried out a mass shooting because he was mentally ill". The only real outcome of that statement is to absolve other contributing factors of blame. This has already taken place with the suicide = depression = suicide circle that we, as a society, use to avoid asking hard questions about how we contributed to the suicide.

Another thing that the vast majority of mass shooters have in common is fewer external masculine traits. Mass shooters are generally shorter than average and less muscular than average, both physical characteristics associated with masculinity. They also tend to experience more bullying, tend to experience more abuse, tend to perceive/experience more sexual rejection, and tend to also be abusive bullies (which is more common among those that experience bullying and abuse, as a method of "reclaiming their power").

The last thing that mass shooters tend to have in common is a significant fascination with military/LEO and guns. As well as access to guns.

What is the solution to this? Honestly? Addressing toxic masculinity and the recent turn towards marketing guns/violence as a way to reclaim your manhood. And by toxic masculinity I mean very specific traits that have been associated with masculinity, that are also negative. It's the unhealthy extreme. There is nothing wrong with being competitive, for example, but an NFL team playing against the JV squad of the local junior high is less "competition" and more "probable massacre". When you seek the ability to totally destroy and humiliate your opponent, that's no longer healthy. At that point, you're just a caricature of masculinity. Hence the focus on external masculine characteristics. Deep down inside, your average mass shooter feels insecure in their manhood, and so they seek validation through external appearance. Much like the middle aged guy that goes out, buys a red sports car, and takes it to the clubs that they have no business being in past their 20s.

Shooting into a crowd is a few minutes of becoming Rambo. Rambo, being a caricature of the hypermasculine US soldier. It's a performance, and the title of the play is "Check out how violent and manly I really am".

I'd even go so far as to say that the guy choosing to carry 600 rounds is itself a performative act. That's almost triple the bullets that a soldier in a combat zone carries. It's an absurd amount of bullets. 600 bullets might not be enough for the main character in a Modern Warfare campaign, but that's a video game, not real life.

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28018314 - 10/26/22 08:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The feminization of men can cultivate confusion, anger, rage, shame, and self-hatred.

Masculinity is under attack by many who claim men are toxic, evil and need to be more like women.

https://www.themodernman.com/the-feminization-of-men.html

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28018331 - 10/26/22 08:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

So?

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: mushboy]
    #28018346 - 10/26/22 08:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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So?



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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28018355 - 10/26/22 08:37 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Masculinity is under attack:burke:

That's ridiculous and sad that anyone would believe that


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: Enlil]
    #28018374 - 10/26/22 09:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

In some ways it is, in some ways it isn't.


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: Enlil]
    #28018380 - 10/26/22 09:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Real men don’t have an ego to bruise:snub:

Sorry but what a bunch of privileged cry baby bullshit.

We need a Jordan Peterson smiley of him making that brooding face:lol:

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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: mushboy]
    #28018632 - 10/27/22 02:55 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I'll tell ya, pretty soon they'll turn being a man into a gosh darn crime! Get ready for the postmodern neo-marxist wokeists to send you straight to the gulags!


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Re: What creates school shooters and what are some possible solutions? [Re: 336]
    #28018751 - 10/27/22 06:24 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

that video was hilarious:stoned:

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I think schools need to find a better way to unite all the students and to pay better attention to loners and helping to find ways to include them.




single people out even more?

what if someone recognizes how fucked up the social/cultural dynamic is in the environment and wants nothing to do with it? i wouldnt welcome the attempts to be included:shrug:

or its the fucking military grade weapons of death that are easier to get then adopting a god damn puppy.

no.. its the lonely childs fault.

:justno:

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