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Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) * 1
    #28015201 - 10/24/22 10:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

This cake looked great when I opened it four nights ago, except it was very wet at the center.  I removed some pooling with a kitchen paper, misted the corners which seemed dryer.  Left it overnight with a 1" opening.  Next day it looked really dry.  I've been misting it 1-2 a day.  Some primordia show, but most of the cake is getting smooth white and some parts are getting a slightly yellowish color.  What am I doing wrong, or what should I do better?

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EDIT: The conditions were 65-75F / 18-24C, 45-55% humidty




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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor] * 1
    #28015224 - 10/24/22 10:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

the sub likely went a bit too dry & the myc is matting now. dried tubs donโ€™t hold surface moisture the same, so you might not see tiny beads anymore. just leave the lid closed & make sure to keep it moist with no pooling on the surface of the sub.


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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28015269 - 10/24/22 11:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Closed?  Most teks I've read advise to leave 1-2cm lid opening.

Is there a remedy for a matted surface?

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor] * 1
    #28015288 - 10/25/22 12:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

it depends on the tub youโ€™re running mainly. what is your tub  set up?

thereโ€™s not really a remedy once it dries out, just keep surface conditions as good as possible & ride it out. here is what you want your surface to look like at all times next time you have a colonized sub. i think youโ€™ll still get fruits tho


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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28015708 - 10/25/22 10:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

6 qt shoebox, cvg substrate, temps have been 65 to 75F, humidity 45-55%, 1-2cm lid opening.

It looked fairly good when I opened it one evening, nest morning it started looking poorly. 

I've seen that post about surface conditions.  Great at showing you how it should look like, not so much on how to get there.  It shows a larger monotub with holes.  I have a much more modest setup (shoeboxes).  Doesn't say how often one should mist.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor]
    #28015800 - 10/25/22 11:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It is all a balancing act.

Yes they need humidity and fresh air, too much of either is bad news.

A shoebox is generally set to fruiting by simply flipping the lid. No 1 to 2 cm gap. Or a second shoebox can be placed like a dome on top, again no gap. The FAE leaks in from the crack between the top/dome.

If you don't see any tiny drops of h2o on the sub or myc then you need to mist(not spray). Check back in 12 hrs, dry=mist again, moist= wait 12 hrs.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: Jaksavage] * 1
    #28015919 - 10/25/22 01:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

like jak said, shoeboxes already provide air exchange. i donโ€™t even flip or unlatch the lids at all when i use shoeboxes. i live in a pretty dry climate, & as you found out they dry out really quick when you crack the lid excessively. the imperfect seal of the latched lid is usually more than enough FAE, but if the fruits seem to need it once you start getting a flush you can unlatch it. iโ€™d just keep it closed, though. flipping the lid would dry my tubs out way too fast where i live.

it doesnโ€™t say how much to mist because thereโ€™s no hard & fast rules on it. if your sub is at proper field capacity when you spawn & your tub retains humidity well you really shouldnโ€™t have to mist until after your first flush. i usually have to mist once i notice pins coming in. you could have to mist 2 times a day or not at all. you gotta read the surface conditions to determine if you need to mist. not seeing beads of water = time to mist


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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28015925 - 10/25/22 01:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: KROM]
    #28016189 - 10/25/22 03:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you thank you thank you guys. 

So, I assume, where I went wrong is leaving 1-2cm open instead of just flipping the lid.  Also, not misting enough the first days after I opened.  In the past I did the 2-dub tup, misting about twice per day.  I got some rather modest yields and I was told I was harming the mycelium and not allowing enough FAE, hence the change. 

A couple questions if I may:
-Misting means using one of these spray misters they use at hairdressers. (I'm not an English speaker, to me misting and spraying sound like the same).  It should be done from a distance, right?  1 feet?  2?
-Is there a remedy to matted mycelium, or that part of the cake is gone?
-45-55% humidity is quite low, I assume, so I should mist at least twice, correct?

Thank you so much again.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor]
    #28016203 - 10/25/22 03:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i use a fine mist spray bottle like the ones hairdressers use, as long as itโ€™s really fine you can do it pretty close to the substrate. iโ€™ll get like 6โ€ away from mine. you just donโ€™t want aggressive water drops because pounding the surface with rain drops can fuck up the myc a bit, using more aggressive sprayers is where you see people talk about being a few feet up


matted mycelium is dried out & fucked, im sorry but itโ€™s not coming back. probably wonโ€™t pin from those areas


you need to get the idea of โ€œhow many times to mistโ€ out of your head. maybe youโ€™ll need to mist twice, maybe not at all, maybe every 5 minutes. it depends on how fast the surface is drying out. if there arenโ€™t tiny beads of water along the surface, you need to mist until there are. that may be not at all or that may be 3 times a day. we restrict FAE in order to keep humidity up in the tubs. 45-55% RH is fine, i grow in 20-30% RH & donโ€™t have to mist until around the first flush. leave your lids close & increase FAE if the sub asks for it, not the other way around. otherwise you end up drying out your surface quick

matted myc wonโ€™t hold beads of moisture well so just make sure there arenโ€™t pools of water on the surface & you should be ok


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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28018880 - 10/27/22 08:14 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So, I kept misting and it seems it may have started pinning in some areas? Yesterday I made a dub tub, misted the walls and top, and left it overnight near a 150W lamp to reduce the nightly temperature drop. Cake looks the same now except some parts are drying again.

Should I keep misting the cake, or should I just mist the walls and top of the tub now?

Variant: albino pe, temps 65F-70F, humid. 45-55%

Thanks.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor]
    #28018895 - 10/27/22 08:27 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Mist the cake.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: Jaksavage]
    #28018926 - 10/27/22 08:56 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Mist the cake.

Pins!




Thanks, bud.  My concern is, does misting harm pins?  This is counterintuitive to me since mushrooms are 90% water, but almost everywhere I've read, it says to never mist pins directly and concentrate on the walls and top  of the tub instead to create humidity.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor]
    #28019279 - 10/27/22 12:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

everywhere you read is wrong. thereโ€™s a lot of bad info out there

if you have a mister that doesnโ€™t make fine mist, you wanna make sure youโ€™re not blasting the sun with rain drops. i have a hair dressing mister that works great, but if you do have a more aggressive mister you can just mist from higher up or do it upside down so the water falls more gently. but you can (& should) mist the sub directly


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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28019602 - 10/27/22 03:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks bro.  My mister is quite fine, though it squirts one droplet here and there.  Waiting for a more professional one.

So...  As long as it's fine mist, OK to mist mycelium, pins, and fruits?

Thanks for your patience.

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Re: Some advice for this cake? (New to this, have mercy) [Re: albertor]
    #28019676 - 10/27/22 03:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yup! the fruits donโ€™t mind being misted at all & the sun loves direct, gentle misting. iโ€™ve done it since day one & never had an issue with aborts or anything. there are species like pans (i think) where misting fruits is a big no-no, but for cubes & most actives im aware of direct misting is preferred.


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