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Luminous7


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Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning
#28014840 - 10/24/22 07:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a few tubs like this that looked great with sexy surface conditions , but the pin sets didnt really come thru.
I'm wondering if I'm not getting enough evaporation off the surface cuz these things are staying heavily beaded, and the accurately measured humidity is a steady 88%.
could also be genetic because this clone is from a wild cubensis spore.priny so theres high heterozygosity
the room temp is 22°C and 30-45% Rh. Running standard monos with microppre. Theres also a fan oscillating in the room gently , everything seems perfect.

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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28015669 - 10/25/22 09:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bump? No feed back at all?
I know its not the most exciting post but come on guys lol
I sometimes feel like an outcast in this community
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28015695 - 10/25/22 10:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm a noob but what light are you using?
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So you did agar to get to this point right? Pictures of the spawn and agar your used?
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28015790 - 10/25/22 11:46 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Lumi,
Vote one for heterozygosity! Clone some of those fruits
That one tub has some ugly looking green blobs.
It looks like it is in a communal tub. Those green spores are spreading contam.
The tub porn you see on here is from a well organized culture of known origin, likely cloned.
This isn't bread baking so the results we get are variable, unless you get into the higher levels of this craft.
and keep growing.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Jaksavage]
#28018462 - 10/26/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jaksavage said: Hey Lumi,
Vote one for heterozygosity! Clone some of those fruits
That one tub has some ugly looking green blobs.
It looks like it is in a communal tub. Those green spores are spreading contam.
The tub porn you see on here is from a well organized culture of known origin, likely cloned.
This isn't bread baking so the results we get are variable, unless you get into the higher levels of this craft.
and keep growing.
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Jaksavage said: Hey Lumi,
Vote one for heterozygosity! Clone some of those fruits
That one tub has some ugly looking green blobs.
It looks like it is in a communal tub. Those green spores are spreading contam.
The tub porn you see on here is from a well organized culture of known origin, likely cloned.
This isn't bread baking so the results we get are variable, unless you get into the higher levels of this craft.
and keep growing.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7] 3
#28018469 - 10/26/22 10:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's no green there, just old stumps from a previous harvest. Your field capacity could have been off as well as your environment but it's most likely culture related.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Jaksavage]
#28018473 - 10/26/22 10:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jaksavage said:That one tub has some ugly looking green blobs.
Those are stumps from the previous flush bud.
And as far as your pinset goes, those look about like a lot of my MS grows. Take a clone from a cluster and you should see some much better pinsets next go round. Your surface conditions look great
Edited by ChinaCat (10/26/22 10:25 PM)
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28018484 - 10/26/22 10:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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What was your substrate-spawn mix ratio?
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28018486 - 10/26/22 10:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I stand corrected. thx
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28018520 - 10/26/22 11:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: There's no green there, just old stumps from a previous harvest. Your field capacity could have been off as well as your environment but it's most likely culture related.
  
Field capacity i admit was a tad on the wet side, but my enviornment is super dry like 30%RH often, so i figured it could use some more water.
I think it really is Genetic, keeping in mind these spores are from the wilderness. This culture is G2 from m.s.
I was expecting a little denser pin set considering i cloned a fat cluster i was hoping for a bit more clustering and less random single fruits.
Theres a Decent amount of very healthy looking fat pins growing on the sides of the tub, maturing into decent mushrooms, this leads me to beleive humidity on surface is not adaquete. although it measures 89% which dosnt seem bad. How ever the Surface has been consistant beaded niceness the whole time, so im thinking maybe the droplet arent evaporating enough to trigger massive pinning.
Its prob just the culture, i got another clone of the same Variety comming in and the pin set looks much better, although on that tub i did leave all the tape on the holes, so a sealed monotub.
Ironic because the "fat cluster clone " Is all single fruits and weak pinset.
But the clone labeled " Single big fruit" is comming in with more clusters and denser pin set. 
I wonder if I mixed the labels up haha
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28018524 - 10/26/22 11:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: What was your substrate-spawn mix ratio?
basically 1:1
2quarts spawn : 2 quarts CVG in each show box. The monos are roughly 1:1 but with a bit more cvg, close enough.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7] 2
#28018527 - 10/26/22 11:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's probably a large part of the problem, 1:1 is never great. There just isn't enough water to maintain the flush.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: ChinaCat]
#28018532 - 10/26/22 11:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
ChinaCat said:
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Jaksavage said:That one tub has some ugly looking green blobs.
Those are stumps from the previous flush bud.
And as far as your pinset goes, those look about like a lot of my MS grows. Take a clone from a cluster and you should see some much better pinsets next go round. Your surface conditions look great
This is 2nd gen clone which is why im like wtf. Should be looking a bit better by 2nd gen i thought lol
With this variety i noticed its very strange, it usually pushes out monsters later in the tubs life and has alot of aborts at first with scattered fruits. Also the pith of the mushrooms is like green, and the myc when starting to knot up sort of looks like trich lol
All in all a cool variety though i enjoy the big meaty fruits and its a super easy one to grow. Just gotta narrow down the Genetics a bit more I guess.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28018536 - 10/26/22 11:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: That's probably a large part of the problem, 1:1 is never great. There just isn't enough water to maintain the flush.
hmmm possible, ive done alot of 1:1 tho with great success, you could be right tho as some of my monos are doing better than the show boxes.
The monos are prob closer to 1:3
What ratio do you run?
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7] 3
#28018540 - 10/26/22 11:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I run 1:3 or 1:4 , sometimes 1:5 with thirsty cultures.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#28018544 - 10/26/22 11:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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DERRAYLD said: I run 1:3 or 1:4 , sometimes 1:5 with thirsty cultures.
True.
When i run 66 QT monos i do 1:4 always plenty of water.
Shit im starting to think you may be right.
I just started using these shoe boxes like this cuz it mitigates contamination, if 1 shoe box contaminates, i only lose 2 qts spawn as apposed to 5-6QTs
Seems like a no brain to cultivate with smaller containers, but i didnt account for the less water perhaps. Im guna play around with this. Thanks g
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7] 3
#28018549 - 10/26/22 11:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still use the same ratios for shoeboxes or monotubs, shouldn't make a difference if you change the size of the tub because the water is still essential.
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28018624 - 10/27/22 02:39 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Luminous7 said:
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LogicaL Chaos said: What was your substrate-spawn mix ratio?
basically 1:1
2quarts spawn : 2 quarts CVG in each show box. The monos are roughly 1:1 but with a bit more cvg, close enough.
Thats probably the issue. As mentioned by Derray, there isnt enough moisture to support the fruits. Sometimes less (spawn) is more (better).
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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28021291 - 10/28/22 12:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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So heres some shots today of different clone in different tubs but the tubs were prepared identicle to the others that have weak pin set.
This leads me to beleive it is the genetics of the phenotype.

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Re: Bomb surface conditions yet weak pinning [Re: Luminous7]
#28021294 - 10/28/22 12:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I appreciate the feed back dudes, ill def start using more cvg going forward.
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