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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009499 - 10/21/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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i would say it’s more that the poly isn’t packed right enough. i’ve never used poly for tubs (i use this design to good success) but if it’s drying out you need to pack it tighter. you can also try layers of micropore tape over the holes, pasty has another older write up on that somewhere on here but it’s pretty self explanatory

the fact that the bruising is more around the holes leads me to believe it’s from drying out rather than misting. i use a fine mister (it’s a hair salon style mister) but as long as the drops aren’t too aggressive you shouldn’t see much bruising from misting like you are. the lack of substrate in comparison to your other tubs can mean less water & moisture over all too, it may be compounded with the size of holes/not being packed tight enough. bad surface conditions are gonna lead to weird pin sets & side pinning




Good point..... I'm going to see if I can pack in some more poly for this tub, see if that helps with the hydration. I'll likely get rid of this tub when the Creepers finish what ever they can muster, and buy a new tub and not make the FAE hole mega huge.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009513 - 10/21/22 03:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yeah the huge hole polyfil stuffed design is a little antiquated imo. check out that link in my last post if you’re looking for modded tub designs, the pasty EZ dial is so primo. just 12 1/4” holes strategically placed on the tub, cover with micropore if it gets too dry having the holes fully open

also, you can maybe salvage that tub if you cover your large holes with duct or clear packing tape. my 50qt mono was my old SAB, i just covered the arm holes with duct tape inside & out & drilled the pasty style holes into it. works great & that’s saves ya tossing a tub & buying a new one


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009526 - 10/21/22 03:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah the huge hole polyfil stuffed design is a little antiquated imo. check out that link in my last post if you’re looking for modded tub designs, the pasty EZ dial is so primo. just 12 1/4” holes strategically placed on the tub, cover with micropore if it gets too dry having the holes fully open

also, you can maybe salvage that tub if you cover your large holes with duct or clear packing tape. my 50qt mono was my old SAB, i just covered the arm holes with duct tape inside & out & drilled the pasty style holes into it. works great & that’s saves ya tossing a tub & buying a new one




Yeah, when I was first making this one it was based on what I had seen in YT videos + I had no way to melt the plastic with anything smaller than a coffee can (which I have since remedied). Thanks for recommending pasty's tub, I saw that one a bit back and new tubs are going to be designed that way (I think they will work better in my climate).

Maybe I'll give the tub to a friend I think may want to grow also, but fix it up for them first.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #28009529 - 10/21/22 03:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yuuuup, youtube cultivators tend to be way behind on their tek & methods. some are good, yoshi amano & munchauzen’s channel come to mind, but so many are just blindly following 2008 tek lol

that would be very kind of you! it’s nice to not totally waste a tub if you don’t have to


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009551 - 10/21/22 03:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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that would be very kind of you! it’s nice to not totally waste a tub if you don’t have to




On second thought, I think I'll just patch it up and keep using it. I'd rather start my friend off right, not with my busted hand me down.

Edit: Question that just occurred to me I forgot to ask. Harvesting side pins, can it be done without hurting the myc too much? Or should I just let them go and see if they ever manage to break the surface?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009658 - 10/21/22 05:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i’ll sometimes let side pins grow up past the top of the sub (if it looks like that’s the way they are growing) & just rip them off, but you’ll have to take the sub if you wanna carefully cut them out


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009684 - 10/21/22 05:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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i’ll sometimes let side pins grow up past the top of the sub (if it looks like that’s the way they are growing) & just rip them off, but you’ll have to take the sub if you wanna carefully cut them out




Awesome :smile: I was curious because one of the side pin clusters is flibbin HUGE. I swear there are at least 15 maturing fruits in one small area. I wanted to see how well they grew out, maybe take a clone from them.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009687 - 10/21/22 05:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i kept thinking casing... casing casing casing..

but then i was only thinking it, because it probably dried out

And you're not supposed to need a casing


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #28009696 - 10/21/22 05:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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i kept thinking casing... casing casing casing..

but then i was only thinking it, because it probably dried out

And you're not supposed to need a casing




I stuffed about 3x more poly into each FAE hole. Hopefully that helps it retain moisture.

That poor myc looks like I've been berating it and telling it that its a bad myc for weeks now :laugh:

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009712 - 10/21/22 05:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

What is the grain:coir ratio here?

Edit: who cares. holes suck for cubes!

make less hole, too much fae, waste


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009716 - 10/21/22 05:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

in the future, i’ve found you can minimize/eliminate side pinning without a liner by compressing the fuck out of your tub after spawn & keeping surface conditions proper

the added poly should help! make sure to mist if you notice any areas that don’t have beaded water (though keep in mind, once myc dries out it mats & doesn’t hold water the same, so if it’s not beading up but seems excessively wet in a prior dry spot that may be why)


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #28009746 - 10/21/22 05:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What is the grain:coir ratio here?

Edit: who cares. holes suck for cubes!

make less hole, too much fae, waste




Yep. This was my first attempt at making a mono. I fucked it up quite a bit on the holes.

And just to answer your first question: It's 1:1. I was trying to use up the last of the bought sub I had before I start making my own.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009750 - 10/21/22 06:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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in the future, i’ve found you can minimize/eliminate side pinning without a liner by compressing the fuck out of your tub after spawn & keeping surface conditions proper




I was just reading through a lot of the old posts that said compress it too. One more thing I learned from YT (not to compress) that goes on the heap of outdated knowledge.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009755 - 10/21/22 06:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

For cubes if you have the correct grainspawn:coir ratio, which you a lot of the time have to adjust for cube genetics, a GT will accept anything and produce a shoebox canopy on 1:2 or 1:3 or 1:1, a PE will require the compressed and the extra layer. Thats how you add water.
Why do you add water?

Because when you get good genetics, they are ALLLLLLLLLWAYS 99/100 of the time WATER THIRSTY. They want that perfect water.
They want it from the sub, they want it from the casing.

This can mean humidity and FAE too, but thats too much right now.

what it mean initially, is:

enough coir and water

either through the sub itself
always conditions
your "misting"

But primarily from: Not drying out above casing level.
Having enough water below casing level

Think about it, it makes sense.

for the genetics you displayed here, that dried out imo,
it needed either a biggger amoutn of coir when spawned,
or a casing


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #28009759 - 10/21/22 06:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Think about it, it makes sense.

for the genetics you displayed here, that dried out imo,
it needed either a biggger amoutn of coir when spawned,
or a casing




Yeah, I agree. This was just me testing, learning, making mistakes, rinse and repeat.

Part of it was this needed coir because of the low spawn/sub ratio (but I was just trying to use up what I had on hand). Part of it is I live in a low humidity environment. Part is that I screwed up my FAE holes.

I get it, I'm tracking :smile: Next time I won't make these mistakes :smile:

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009763 - 10/21/22 06:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i recently saw a youtube video that recommended not to compress the sub at all, just absolutely baffling lol. i put my full body weight into packing the sub with my lil flat tool thing (i always forget what it’s technically called) & i get great pin sets with little to no side pinning

you’re probably best off forgetting absolutely everything you learned from youtube tbh.

like small talk said, lower sub to spawn ratios mean less water to maintain good humidity in the tub & less water for fruits. 1:1 is doable usually but you really gotta keep an eye on it or it dries out really fast


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009765 - 10/21/22 06:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Think about it, it makes sense.

for the genetics you displayed here, that dried out imo,
it needed either a biggger amoutn of coir when spawned,
or a casing




Yeah, I agree. This was just me testing, learning, making mistakes, rinse and repeat.

Part of it was this needed coir because of the low spawn/sub ratio (but I was just trying to use up what I had on hand). Part of it is I live in a low humidity environment. Part is that I screwed up my FAE holes.

I get it, I'm tracking :smile: Next time I won't make these mistakes :smile:




im here with you, looking at tubs
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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009770 - 10/21/22 06:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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you’re probably best off forgetting absolutely everything you learned from youtube tbh.

Yeah... so much info to unlearn....... it hurts my head at times.

like small talk said, lower sub to spawn ratios mean less water to maintain good humidity in the tub & less water for fruits. 1:1 is doable usually but you really gotta keep an eye on it or it dries out really fast




Yep, thats been my main lesson on this tub. I should have put a casing on it with such a low ratio

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #28009791 - 10/21/22 06:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

you got it next time chief :thumbup:


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