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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: blazedup] 3
#28005024 - 10/18/22 04:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Friend of mines tub, this is the third flush but has anybody ever seen yellow pins like the one in the middle to the left before?? New to me.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28005031 - 10/18/22 04:20 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Friend of mines tub, this is the third flush but has anybody ever seen yellow pins like the one in the middle to the left before?? New to me.

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28005045 - 10/18/22 04:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Friend of mines tub, this is the third flush but has anybody ever seen yellow pins like the one in the middle to the left before?? New to me.

i have a pheno like that that discomforts me based on the veil shots, how do the veils look
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#28005060 - 10/18/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Just checked all my pics of Nat pins. Knot a single yellow one in any of my tubs or flushes. Clone it!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm] 3
#28005801 - 10/19/22 04:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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After the 1st flush, it looked like this

after a few weeks without any fruiting body
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: labbar] 4
#28005910 - 10/19/22 07:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Introducing the microdose line!
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Same thing happened in my first Nat grow. Start from spores again, no biggie.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
#28006255 - 10/19/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Adas said: Same thing happened in my first Nat grow. Start from spores again, no biggie.
Yes Adas, waiting for some rad genetics from Derrayled. Gotta throw the current sub in my neighbour's garden as I don’t have one
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Adas said: Same thing happened in my first Nat grow. Start from spores again, no biggie.
Yes Adas, waiting for some rad genetics from Derrayled. Gotta throw the current sub in my neighbour's garden as I don’t have one 
I’d love to get my hands on some of those monster nat genetics I’ve seen pictures of. I can’t wait for people to start taking these things (myself included) and getting some consistent phenos isolated.
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Blob clone indoors did all sorts of weird Natal things. Outdoors, with plenty of FAE, the clone looks normal.
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YoshiTrainer said: Blob clone indoors did all sorts of weird Natal things. Outdoors, with plenty of FAE, the clone looks normal.

Is that a flower pot?
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He said the yellow pins turned out to be aborts
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28006836 - 10/19/22 06:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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@Norsern, yes, a 6 gallon, deep pot.
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smalltalk_canceled said: so now its up to "official natalensis thread" to establish that 1 myco quarts the heretic american standard, will produce 2 ounces or 56,6gs of dried natalensis from 1 myco quarts.
If it dont, its not a cube competition, according to Pasty.
My last tub of nats I harvested 111.2g dry from 2 qts grain spawn in 2 flushes, but I used a corncob pellet/coir mix for my sub, so there was some added nutrition and not quite the 113.2g that would satisfy Pasty 
Been a while, nat growers! I had to take some time off growing. Any new discoveries or advice I should add to my "Collected notes on growing P. natalensis" thread in my sig?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers] 2
#28009403 - 10/21/22 02:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I transferred a couple late pins to a new cup. Then they more than doubled in length, changed color (from caramel) and sporulated, all within 24hrs after plucking them off the old media.
They don’t even have myc spreading on the new surface. Guess I pulled em too late.
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They'll revert to myc eventually. The problem I see here is that the spores might germinate before that happens (fresh spores are super fast, nothing like dried one - prints)
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Rusty2096]
#28009421 - 10/21/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I’m anticipating they’ll germ pretty quick. I just didn’t expect the pins to fully mature as fruit after being plucked.
No biggie, I’ve got other clones to work with. This one just surprised me.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers]
#28009436 - 10/21/22 02:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Moopers said:
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smalltalk_canceled said: so now its up to "official natalensis thread" to establish that 1 myco quarts the heretic american standard, will produce 2 ounces or 56,6gs of dried natalensis from 1 myco quarts.
If it dont, its not a cube competition, according to Pasty.
My last tub of nats I harvested 111.2g dry from 2 qts grain spawn in 2 flushes, but I used a corncob pellet/coir mix for my sub, so there was some added nutrition and not quite the 113.2g that would satisfy Pasty 
Been a while, nat growers! I had to take some time off growing. Any new discoveries or advice I should add to my "Collected notes on growing P. natalensis" thread in my sig?
got a pic of the pheno and the amount of overlay? that would be interesting. thank for your interest
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Moopers said:
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smalltalk_canceled said: so now its up to "official natalensis thread" to establish that 1 myco quarts the heretic american standard, will produce 2 ounces or 56,6gs of dried natalensis from 1 myco quarts.
If it dont, its not a cube competition, according to Pasty.
My last tub of nats I harvested 111.2g dry from 2 qts grain spawn in 2 flushes, but I used a corncob pellet/coir mix for my sub, so there was some added nutrition and not quite the 113.2g that would satisfy Pasty 
Been a while, nat growers! I had to take some time off growing. Any new discoveries or advice I should add to my "Collected notes on growing P. natalensis" thread in my sig?
got a pic of the pheno and the amount of overlay? that would be interesting. thank for your interest
Pics are below from my "Collected notes on growing" thread. I checked my notes and photo dates, and it was the spaghetti tub:
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Moopers said: I feel like I may have more evidence that spaghetti pheno is triggered by low FAE.
I cloned a fruit from this tub from a cluster:

That unmodded monotub had a lot of FAE: I put the lid on crooked so there were four gaps at the top, and I fanned twice a day or more. No spaghetti in the tub: Fruits grew straight and tall, and there was very little overlay.
The clone I grew out in a tub without doing my extra FAE steps described above, and in a tub that doesn't have gaps from where the latches sit. Still had very little overlay, but lots of spaghetti:

This is the 5:3 corncob:coir tub, and while nutrition may also be a factor for spaghetti pheno, that first tub was spawned 1:3 and the corncob tub spawned at 1:5. I don't think corncob would be more nutritious than the extra millet.
Something to chew on, anyway. Seems like FAE is responsible, and that overlay doesn't or doesn't always contribute to spaghetti appearing.
Some additional notes from my Corncob test journal:
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Moopers said: Fourth experiment, Psilocybe natalensis monotub, 5:3 corncob:coir — 26 April Update
This grew out clean and beautifully, with no major overlay so far. Fruits are forming. Like other tubs of nats I've grown, lots of side pins are forming, too.
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Moopers said: Fourth experiment, Psilocybe natalensis monotub, 5:3 corncob:coir — 29 April and 9 May Update
This is a clear success, no contam and a full tub of fruits.

Aside from "yes, go ahead and use the mix with calcium carbonate to buffer ph against contam," there are two other takeaways.
First, it took slightly longer to fruit. The average for the five previous tubs (all coir) was 25.8 days, and the corncob:coir tub took 29 days. However, this is the only time I've grown this clone, so it could just as easily be genetics.
Tub 1 (MS, all coir 1:3): spawn 29 Dec, harvest 26 Jan = 28 days Tub 2 (MS, all coir 1:5): spawn 25 Jan, harvest 21 Feb = 27 days Tub 3 (MS, all coir, 1:5): spawn 8 Feb, harvest 6 Mar = 26 days Tub 4 (MS, all coir, 1:5): spawn 10 Mar, harvest 2 Apr = 23 days Tub 5 (Clone, all coir, 1:5): spawn 15 Mar, harvest 9 Apr = 25 days Tub 6 (Clone, 5:3 corncob:coir, 1:5): spawn 31 Mar, harvest 29 Apr = 29 days
Second, notice the spaghetti-like fruits. There is some discussion on the natalensis thread about spaghetti fruits being a phenotype owed to genetics. However, this grow was from a fruit cloned from my first tub, where no such spaghetti fruit was found. In fact, none of my previous tubs have had this pheno. Thus, it seems unlikely that genetics caused this.
When fruiting this tub, I did not give it as much FAE as other tubs. For one, my other tubs were unmodded monos with latched lids, meaning when I flipped the lid after spawning, four gaps existed where air would flow in and out of the tub. This tub does not have latches, so the flipped lid did not have those wider gaps during colonization. Second, on all previous tubs once the myc poked through the top layer, I kept the lids upside down and askew so there were four gaps at the top of the tub to let in a lot more air, and I fanned the tubs. For this corncob tub, I did not do that, and fanned once a day or less.
Thus, I think spaghetti appears where CO2 is higher/FAE is lower.
There is, of course, the matter of nutrition. Corncob is more nutritious than coir. However, this culture was cloned from the first tub spawned with an extra jar of millet, and that first tub didn't go spaghetti. I don't think that the corncob would be more nutritious than that extra jar of grain.
I will update this post with the total yield from the first and second flush from the corncob:coir tub. Previous first and second flush yields are below; occasionally, I keep tubs around for third flushes, the most impressive of which was the first tub, but it had an extra jar of grain, and on a per jar of grain basis, it did not result in a significantly better yield. I was curious to see if the corncob:coir mix is nutritious enough to make a difference.
Total yields:
Tub 1: 49g, 22g = 71g Tub 2: 28g, 21.2g = 49.2g Tub 3: 30g, 35.2g = 65.2g Tub 4: 30.3g, 30g = 60.3g Tub 5: 56g, 28g = 84g Tub 6: 78.5g, 32.6g = 111.1g
The corncob may be making a big difference. The first flush of the corncob tub was 2× the average first flush yield and 1.4× over the other clone tub. It yielded more in the first flush than all of the MS tubs did in their first two flushes. The second flush as of 9 May is so far 32.6g, with a few more pins still yet to mature. That's about 1.2× higher than MS average and 1.16× above the other clone tub. Overall, at 111.1g that's 1.8× the average total dry yield of the four MS tubs, 1.32× the total dry yield of the other clone tub, and 1.68× the total average of all 5 previous tubs.
This is the only tub I've run of this clone, so it could be clone genetics. But it was an interesting result that encourages me to explore this mix with more tubs.
No pics of the second flush wet, just a pic of dry fruits showing the weight, which I didn't bother to upload.
Edited by Moopers (10/21/22 03:37 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Moopers]
#28009556 - 10/21/22 03:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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GJ mister thanks for sharing to the thread
very good log, very nice details, very educational for all
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Edited by smalltalk_canceled (10/21/22 03:57 PM)
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