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InvisibleSuckatshrooms
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Static SAB
    #28004840 - 10/18/22 02:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I had a thought that it’s possible a dry, static charged SAB may be more effective than one dampened with soap water. Today, I was pouring epoxy into the lip of my SAB to seal in lead shot. Well, epoxy is heavy, but the static charge of my box pulled the epoxy stream from an inch away straight to the side of the box like it was defying physics.

Perhaps an intentionally static charged, dry SAB could attract tons of contaminants, whereas a soapy SAB just captures whatever happens to touch it?

Edited by Suckatshrooms (10/18/22 03:10 PM)

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Re: Static SAB [Re: Suckatshrooms] * 1
    #28004847 - 10/18/22 02:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds possible, as long as it doesn't keep attracting particles from outside of the holes.


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Re: Static SAB [Re: Suckatshrooms]
    #28004852 - 10/18/22 02:56 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

This might be the guy to help you figure that out: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27934021

Cool idea.

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Re: Static SAB [Re: CowsPoopShrooms] * 4
    #28004861 - 10/18/22 03:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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CowsPoopShrooms said:
This might be the guy to help you figure that out: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27934021

Cool idea.




Or rub an inflated balloon all over the exterior walls



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Re: Static SAB [Re: cozmyc] * 1
    #28004885 - 10/18/22 03:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I just read some information about ionic air purifiers. (Not for use in or on a SAB!! Only the principle of action!!)

I read they have some major fallbacks as a room air purifier, however, the principles of an ionic air purifier that make them a bad room air purifier, may have some applications for further settling airborne particles.

Still, all of that is unnecessary, as SABs work really well just the way they are. I've watched dust be attracted to, and repelled by static-charged plastic before. I've wondered if the mist sprayed inside isn't more effective because it eliminates the static charge all together, more than it's sticking particles, preventing them from going airborne again.

In reality, I'm guessing it's both of those principles that help a SAB work, and I've read plenty of oldhats that don't even spray their SABs anymore.

I would rather spend my money on necessary equipment or new spores than fixing something that isn't broken. Still, it's a cool question to ponder.

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Re: Static SAB [Re: ruawakeyet] * 1
    #28004890 - 10/18/22 03:17 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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ruawakeyet said:
I just read some information about ionic air purifiers. (Not for use in or on a SAB!! Only the principle of action!!)

I read they have some major fallbacks as a room air purifier, however, the principles of an ionic air purifier that make them a bad room air purifier, may have some applications for further settling airborne particles.

Still, all of that is unnecessary, as SABs work really well just the way they are. I've watched dust be attracted to, and repelled by static-charged plastic before. I've wondered if the mist sprayed inside isn't more effective because it eliminates the static charge all together, more than it's sticking particles, preventing them from going airborne again.

In reality, I'm guessing it's both of those principles that help a SAB work, and I've read plenty of oldhats that don't even spray their SABs anymore.

I would rather spend my money on necessary equipment or new spores than fixing something that isn't broken. Still, it's a cool question to ponder.



The static is free.  I installed mine while carrying the box across the room.😝

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Re: Static SAB [Re: Suckatshrooms] * 1
    #28004904 - 10/18/22 03:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Also, in practice, the static would attract particles of a certain charge, and repel others. Depends on if your SAB became positively or negatively charged. Is the typical dust/bacteria/spores etc floating around in the air more frequently positively charged or negative?


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Re: Static SAB [Re: Egon_Spengler] * 1
    #28005164 - 10/18/22 05:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

True. I'm not sure. Still air is your best friend :wink:


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Re: Static SAB [Re: Egon_Spengler]
    #28005165 - 10/18/22 05:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Egon_Spengler said:
Also, in practice, the static would attract particles of a certain charge, and repel others. Depends on if your SAB became positively or negatively charged. Is the typical dust/bacteria/spores etc floating around in the air more frequently positively charged or negative?




According to this article, "An ion is an atom or molecule with a charge—it could be a positive or a negative charge, depending on how many protons and how many electrons it has. Ions with a negative charge and ions with a positive charge are attracted to each other.

Ionic air purifiers generate and emit negatively charged ions into the air, which attract other particles, causing those particles to be charged.

“Those particles are attracted either to a charged component in the cleaner itself or often just to other particles or to surfaces in the room,” explains Emily Jones, a researcher in Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

If they are attracted to other particles, they become bigger and gravity pulls them down to surfaces or the floor more quickly. If they are attracted to surfaces or the charged component of the air cleaner, they are pulled directly there.

In all three of the scenarios, the particle—whether it’s a virus, a mold spore, or particulate matter, is no longer in the air."

It goes on to say, "The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) says that while ion generators may remove small particles from the air, like those from tobacco smoke, they are less effective at removing larger particles, like pollen or house dust allergens." This is closer to answering your question, but still vague.

Continuing from the article, "It’s not that the ionization doesn’t work—the air cleaners do succeed at charging particles. But the problem is what happens next.

“The particles are removed from the air, but you really don’t remove them from the room,” says Shaughnessy. Instead, they are sitting on the surfaces or floor of the room.

That means any disturbance of the particle can cause it to be resuspended into the air. “There is a very real potential to bringing them back into the environment,” he says."

That part really intrigued me in a theoretical SAB application. In theory, this principle could maybe be used to quickly settle or remove airborne particles. If the box itself was positively charged, and a negatively charged bar was positioned out of the way, it should attract any particles to either the bar or the box, depending on the charge of the particle.

One would still have to move slowly as to not disturb the attraction, but I think the idea has merit. Again, they work without this, but just possibly, using a controlled static charge with a SAB could take the contam rate from very, very low to absolutely zero.

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Re: Static SAB [Re: ruawakeyet] * 2
    #28005174 - 10/18/22 05:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

still air FTW


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Re: Static SAB [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #28005180 - 10/18/22 05:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

On second thought, I don't think the box itself should be charged, but instead both the negative and positive plates of an ionic air purifier could be hooked up in the SAB. If the plates were suspended in the air, out of the way, they should attract any airborne particle in the SAB. If a particle did become airborne, it should be attracted to one of the charged plates, instead of floating until it settles back down.

Of course, most ionic air purifiers have fans, and that would have to be completely removed or disabled.

For me, this is strictly a theoretical idea anyway. I haven't seen any contams from my new, non-static SAB yet.

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Re: Static SAB [Re: ruawakeyet] * 3
    #28005338 - 10/18/22 07:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like a lot of extra steps for at best the same effectiveness.

SABs work. Period. Full stop. End of sentence.

If you're getting contamination, it's your inoculant or your sterile technique. Not your box.


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Re: Static SAB [Re: SirPsycho] * 2
    #28005404 - 10/18/22 07:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I like my box
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