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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: stevo]
    #28142779 - 01/16/23 12:16 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

That's a lot of ifs.  Whose tax doubled?  What electric car requires hundreds of thousands of dollars per month in electricity?


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28142809 - 01/16/23 12:38 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

I think he’s saying the places that offer “free” charging pay that. It may be true, but I doubt it. Industrial supplies are much cheaper than common household supply. It’s not really any of his business what they spend to get rich people to park at their facilities though. Even if it is the local or federal government doing it, all he has to do is vote.

Electric cars are much more simple than ICE counterparts. They are more reliable as a result. This is why Elon decided against an independent dealer network. Dealers rely on maintenance to make money. Those margins are significantly less with an electric car. So he had to keep it a top down sale method as the dealers wouldn’t survive. Anyways, as all of this scales it will get more lean, cheaper, and even better. Look at the progress of Tesla over the last decade. The big manufacturers knew everything they had to learn aside from taking the total electric risk. My VW is arguably as nice as a Tesla in many ways, but it cost 1/4 as much. Lot’s of progress to be made in this industry.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: stevo]
    #28142937 - 01/16/23 02:04 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

You haven't investigated shit.  Nothing you have said makes any sense.  The chargers are owned by a company that pays a lease to the property owner and pays the electricity.  The people who use the chargers pay the company that owns the chargers.

You are just making shit up, dude.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
    #28143478 - 01/16/23 06:46 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

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You haven't investigated shit.  Nothing you have said makes any sense.  The chargers are owned by a company that pays a lease to the property owner and pays the electricity.  The people who use the chargers pay the company that owns the chargers.

You are just making shit up, dude.




Well I'm not going to sound like a boomer here, Id like to see a greener alternative to internal combustion in time.  But I do not believe you that they are choosing to put these things at a town hall vs their own house, when only they are using them, in an honest way.  I can speak for the town I live in and say for certain you are incorrect.

I could go and stir shit up down there and reveal my location to prove this to you, maybe in PM.  You have no way of knowing for sure that someone elses charger in another town you live in.  I have seen these bad apples do some really dishonest things with money and have a criminal history of stealing from town to town, like millions and I'm sure you've known some bad politicians.  I'd rather not concern myself with this stupid charging station, since in some way form or another I believe the cost of living here consists of fabricated expenses to make it more like a supply and demand thing, where if you dont like paying X, you can move down the road and still pay X.


Our town in particular has a govt that has historically been somewhat of a sarcastic joke historically, not really having much function but to get the trash picked up, and thats about it.  I really miss the good ole days.  Everyone participated in helping the town. 

Its pretty easy to start a cult though, like we have now, if you just feel like moving in for some money to steal, and plan on moving out afterwords to the next small town.  Especially if you already have a felony criminal history of embezzlement , you really have nothing to lose. Its easy to underestimate how much damage can be done to by small town officials.  I don't think you'll find many legal professionals in a room full of regular country folks.

I bet there is some kind of catch to this too.  Like Ive noticed state senators hanging out down there, an insane amount of stuff purchased to make it something like a redneck white house, and I'm sure there is a nice tax writeoff, as an award for not paying their share to drive around.

So I do not mean to ramble on about this, but the charging station here and in other neighborhoods known to be managed by greedy crooks, I'm really not seeing this as generosity but the opposite.  There are givers and takers.  Little small towns in the boonies are vulnerable to the worst corruption, and only so many poor people drive their gas cars to work to pay these rich people.


Sometimes I can't tell if you're trolling or just have too much trust in government, or not wanting to be wrong about incidents you don't know about.  The little bit of energy is spent on the undeserving isn't the end of the world, and do not stress about this specific issue, but I do not believe they are being generous in the case of my town.  It does not align with the criminal behavior I've observed from them.  It is why I ask, "says who?" because its really hard for 99% of the town to do anything about.

I think in the next few days, I will go look up the company and try my best to find out where these charging stations are installed at a town hall, and compare to how many people in that town drive an electric car.  I'm betting its close to a 1:1 ratio with nearly nobody in town having any say on it.  Maybe I can make a map.

I did talk about this with the mayor in a nonchalant way.  He says he doesn't pay the electric.  He's too much of a blatant lie box to really be interested in having a full conversation about it.  I'm not sure how commonly this is being used, but efficient embezzlement is just embezzlement.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336] * 1
    #28143512 - 01/16/23 07:16 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

Beta men drive ev's


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #28149051 - 01/20/23 01:53 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

Exactly, and they are ugly

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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: stevo]
    #28149119 - 01/20/23 02:42 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

Some businesses offer free chargers, but that is really just used as an incentive to bring in business. Most chargers you have to pay for the electricity. I think Tesla has a lot of free chargers for Teslas, which is just a sales technique.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: koods] * 1
    #28149169 - 01/20/23 03:15 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

The dude clearly has no idea how any of this works.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: christopera]
    #28149212 - 01/20/23 03:50 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

The free chargers are crap. They deliver about 3000 - 5000 watts, which would take a day to fully charge an EV and uses about $0.45 per hour of electricity


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: koods]
    #28149427 - 01/20/23 06:38 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

I wonder how what kind of bitcoins one could mine from these stations, lol


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: stevo]
    #28149449 - 01/20/23 06:48 PM (1 year, 7 days ago)

You are probably right

Power/hours or kilowatt hours. = cost.

So. How much does it really cost?

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Charged a long time or a short for the same power,no.  They will be the same cost.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #28156599 - 01/25/23 07:34 AM (1 year, 2 days ago)

For the most part, assuming the meters are accurate and they are honest, you pay for when its being used.  But don't confuse here, power is measure of energy being transferred at that instant. KWh can be thought of like a cumulative sum.  Its like how many gallons of water you actually wasted.  Unlike the flow rate of the water, we're counting how long you had the spigot on. 

Sometimes the power company will even negotiate on price with large commercial operations given some restraints about the time of usage.  Feedmills and chicken farms for example sometimes run at night and have a backup generator as part of the contract.  Especially when there are 2 power companies competing.

The types of places like malls and govt buildings where these things are popping up and its more or less a gimmick at this point just aren't really wired up for that kind of power consumption which I think was the point koods was making. 

Most standard households are ran with mostly 12guage wire on a 15 amp breaker and a limit of 1500 watts is a good rule of thumb.  120v*15a=1800watts (ohms law) Kitchens are usually wired with 10 guage and a 20 amp breaker for a little more heavier load from a refridgerator.

I just googled this and it sounds about right.  10 gauge wire is typically rated to handle up to 30 amps, or approximately 7200 watts at 240 volts.

I don't think we'll be seeing public charging stations become mainstream anytime soon.  Would our current power grid even be heavy duty enough for it?

Question: what exactly would be be needed to make a car that can handle ethanol without tearing it up?  Aside emitting greenhouse gas, though lowered a little, it seems much more doable and reliable.  Wouldn't that be a better green idea since it would require less costly modification to vehicle design, and maybe more effectively reduce carbon emission just by being more affordable and doable.  I don't hear a lot about biodiesel anymore either.  Soy and corn are such plentiful crops in the United states and its a shame so much goes to waste or to make junk food instead with it.


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