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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
#28017824 - 10/26/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Teslas can charge at 120,000 watts. That’s three times the capacity of your average home.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: MagicMush123]
#28017827 - 10/26/22 03:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: We're not talking about efficiency. We're talking about convenience
Can you fuel your gas car at home?
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: MagicMush123]
#28017896 - 10/26/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car?
I'd much rather have the option of running my car on a horse and gas and electricity rather than only electric and gas. Why would you want 2 points of failure when you could have three? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car or fill your gas tank?
It would be stupid to buy a car that doesn't have the ability to be harnessed to a horse.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Kryptos]
#28017914 - 10/26/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Does your horse drawn hybrid vehicle have pedals so you ride it like a bike if there’s no gas, no electricity and no horse?
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Kryptos]
#28017942 - 10/26/22 04:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car?
I'd much rather have the option of running my car on a horse and gas and electricity rather than only electric and gas. Why would you want 2 points of failure when you could have three? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car or fill your gas tank?
It would be stupid to buy a car that doesn't have the ability to be harnessed to a horse.
Never mind the fact that his whole premise is fucked up. Hybrids don't have two options for power. They have one. They run on Gasoline. The electric part of it isn't something you can fill and run on. Plug in hybrids have that option, but even those need to have gas in the tank or your fuct.
Dude's all kinds of fucked up.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
#28017986 - 10/26/22 05:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
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MagicMush123 said: Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car?
I'd much rather have the option of running my car on a horse and gas and electricity rather than only electric and gas. Why would you want 2 points of failure when you could have three? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car or fill your gas tank?
It would be stupid to buy a car that doesn't have the ability to be harnessed to a horse.
This is why nobody takes the left seriously. When in disagreement they offer no imput and just ridicule. If you have nothing of substance to say why say anything?
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MagicMush123 said: Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car?
I'd much rather have the option of running my car on a horse and gas and electricity rather than only electric and gas. Why would you want 2 points of failure when you could have three? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car or fill your gas tank?
It would be stupid to buy a car that doesn't have the ability to be harnessed to a horse.
Never mind the fact that his whole premise is fucked up. Hybrids don't have two options for power. They have one. They run on Gasoline. The electric part of it isn't something you can fill and run on. Plug in hybrids have that option, but even those need to have gas in the tank or your fuct.
Dude's all kinds of fucked up.
I wasn't talking about current hybrid cars. I was saying they should make a hybrid car that could run on both instead of focusing on making cars that are dependent on one. If you disagree then whatever
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: MagicMush123]
#28017993 - 10/26/22 05:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Does your horse drawn hybrid vehicle have pedals so you ride it like a bike if there’s no gas, no electricity and no horse?
Hell no, that just adds another point of failure if the pedals break! We need to go back to Flinstones tech. All this gas shit is way too complicated and prone to breaking down.
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MagicMush123 said: Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car?
I'd much rather have the option of running my car on a horse and gas and electricity rather than only electric and gas. Why would you want 2 points of failure when you could have three? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car or fill your gas tank?
It would be stupid to buy a car that doesn't have the ability to be harnessed to a horse.
This is why nobody takes the left seriously. When in disagreement they offer no imput and just ridicule. If you have nothing of substance to say why say anything?
I said something that is of similar substance to your argument. I actually improved on the substance of your argument by adding a third power source to a vehicle. If two is better than one, then three has to be better than two.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Kryptos]
#28019861 - 10/27/22 05:25 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Does your horse drawn hybrid vehicle have pedals so you ride it like a bike if there’s no gas, no electricity and no horse?
Hell no, that just adds another point of failure if the pedals break! We need to go back to Flinstones tech. All this gas shit is way too complicated and prone to breaking down.
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MagicMush123 said: Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car?
I'd much rather have the option of running my car on a horse and gas and electricity rather than only electric and gas. Why would you want 2 points of failure when you could have three? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car or fill your gas tank?
It would be stupid to buy a car that doesn't have the ability to be harnessed to a horse.
This is why nobody takes the left seriously. When in disagreement they offer no imput and just ridicule. If you have nothing of substance to say why say anything?
I said something that is of similar substance to your argument. I actually improved on the substance of your argument by adding a third power source to a vehicle. If two is better than one, then three has to be better than two.
It's called reductio ad absurdum. It shows your original argument of it's better to have 2 points of failure is fallacious by continuing that argument to it's logical conclusion. The fact that you recognize "leftists" use this argument against you but you don't understand the argument speaks volumes about you.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Ice9] 1
#28135355 - 01/11/23 01:03 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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I think people that have expensive electric cars should at least plug there cars into their own electric bill.
I see those electric car charging stations popping up everywhere. The state government is giving them out to small town govts here. But, its usually only a few people, for instance, the mayor who put it there, who has a $100,000 car that uses it. So they do not have to pay for gasoline, but instead tax everyone else in town. Green or not, its more being used as an embezzlement plot. There's usually some catch to free things, when government is involved.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: stevo]
#28135480 - 01/11/23 03:03 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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You realize that charging isn't free, right?
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28138251 - 01/13/23 04:38 PM (1 year, 14 days ago) |
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That was the point I was trying to make.
The only person that uses all of our stolen money is the mayor in his fancy ass car that nobody else can afford.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil] 1
#28138268 - 01/13/23 04:52 PM (1 year, 14 days ago) |
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The average price of public rapid charging increased by 58% since May 2022.
So as we get rid of the oil companies, it's going to be meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Unless there is some tech breakthrough, I wonder if it's even going to be that much better environmentally.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28139923 - 01/14/23 05:33 PM (1 year, 13 days ago) |
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I think a major problem that steveo brought up is that EVs are still nowhere near affordable for the majority of the nation, which is currently in poverty. Hundreds of millions of people in America (which is supposed to be one of the richest nations) can barely afford to buy a 20 year old used car, let alone an EV.
If the government started handing out free EV vehicles to poorer people everyone would start to use them. I would.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28140264 - 01/14/23 08:58 PM (1 year, 13 days ago) |
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I wish I could afford to sell my 20 year old used cars. I've got a dope 98 conversion van but it's such a bitch to work on. I pretty much have to disassemble the whole fucking car to change a spark plug and the thing has like 500 miles of heater hose that I know I'm gonna have to change any day
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28140331 - 01/14/23 09:35 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Both my daily drivers are late 80s....351w Crown Vic and 87 5.0 Marquis. Never been under a 98 Van but all I can tell you replacing a heater core involves the complete disassembly of the entire dashboard to even dream of reaching the plenum. It's like the entire car was assembled around it. If you do those hoses, might as well do the vac lines and check valves. Pressure test the hoses and core before reassembly....because I have had some bad out of the box and had to redo the whole thing.....insanity.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28140413 - 01/14/23 10:29 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Those ram vans are built such that you're sitting over the motor, basically. The lower dash comes away easily with latches and a lot of work has to be done from the cab. Right now I need to get down to the water pump (again) because I neglected to order the gasket the first time and tried to get away with just high temp rtv silicone which lasted about 35 miles before it catastrophically leaked. This means taking the fucker apart from the radiator, back until I can get the pump off
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
#28140957 - 01/15/23 10:12 AM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Plants absorb carbon and produce oxygen. It comes from the atmosphere. Humans breath oxygen and produce carbon dioxide. Burning coal or gas produces CO2. You change can install scrubbers for co2.
The catalyst would be lithium dioxide or lithium3 nitride.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: starfire_xes]
#28142245 - 01/16/23 02:47 AM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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I think EV cost (in term of power/fuel and CO2 footprint) slightly less, over their whole lifespan, than combustion ones. but including their production and all processes involved, i think the gain is small if not negligible. But i don't think reliable infos are still avalaible over the whole process (i mean including every small detail, included ones nobody has thought yet).
What i think is EV are not a good solution, they are like hiding the dirt under the carpet: my point is that what is not sustainable is what i call the individual motorization, ie the fact that every single person demand to have an engine under his ass, 1000 or more kilograms of steel and liters of fuel (or wind produced watts, wich changes little imo) just to carry around (often for few kilometers or less) his 70-80 kg of meat and bones wich - let's remind it - are perfectly selfpropelled.
I believe that even if more effective EV are the wrong path if they are intended for individual use. Wasted resources, and more atomization (individualization) of society.
Plus, EV are more dangerous: they silently get at your back and you can't hear them before they run on you.
My 2 cents as a pedal-biker.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: stevo]
#28142599 - 01/16/23 10:09 AM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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stevo said: That was the point I was trying to make.
The only person that uses all of our stolen money is the mayor in his fancy ass car that nobody else can afford.
Again, charging isn't free. The mayor, if he has an electric car, pays the company that owns the charger for the use of it and the electricity. He's not getting anything for free.
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#28142659 - 01/16/23 10:41 AM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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My question here to you is, says who?
If the town pays for a town hall, and somehow that town hall has to be paid for by electricity, and then suddenly a private charger is installed there, and its in the boonies, and then the electric bill is hundreds or thousands of dollars a month more, and then everyone's tax suddenly doubles...
I have investigated this and other things before, and it seems when anyone ever complains they get harassment from police or some other negative reinforcer to leave them alone and then rig the next election and more or less irritate everyone away from their cult building. Not saying all town have a govt that are like that, but once such ideas are put in action, its not just as easy as going and knocking on the guys door and telling him to stop freeloading. I'm offended to see such a thing happening in town halls everywhere I go and is so non community.
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