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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336] 1
#28014035 - 10/24/22 12:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone hates carbon. Carbon is a key element of all life. Tacos al Carbon are amazing. It's carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that is a big problem.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
#28014038 - 10/24/22 12:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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But is CO2 really the problem? it's less than 1% of the atmosphere. If levels were to begin dropping exponentially not only would we be fucked, but pretty much all life would be, including plants.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28014046 - 10/24/22 12:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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There's no danger of that, though. The fact that it's a small portion of the atmosphere is the very reason that humans have been able to make such a large impact on the concentration of CO2. If it were 90% of the atmosphere, we'd have proportionally made no change.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
#28014051 - 10/24/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps you are right. I hope so. Too often humans try to fix a problem and end up created a much worse problem. Part of me can imagine a future where CO2 is continuously reduced to the point of no return. Considering its less than 1% we don't really have a lot of room for error.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28014058 - 10/24/22 12:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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At this point, we can't even take out the extra CO2 we put in the atmosphere. The chances of us accidentally taking out too much are much lower than the chances of an extinction level asteroid strike on the planet.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28014066 - 10/24/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You might be right about that one. Though I think the 'aliens' might help us out with that. If they don't cause it.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28014421 - 10/24/22 04:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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All I know is without changing my driving habits, switching to a Honda Accord from a Prius has cost me a lot more in gas money. It’s not even close how much more fuel the accord uses than the Prius. The Prius was also by far the lowest maintenance car I’ve ever had. There was literally nothing seriously wrong with it for 18 years
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: koods]
#28014427 - 10/24/22 04:38 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Why'd you switch back?
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28014432 - 10/24/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Because the Prius was 18 years old and I inherited a practically new accord
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: koods]
#28014452 - 10/24/22 04:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The lack of a set standard for charging stations is going to be a big problem if every company is going to use their own setup. It’s hard enough finding stations without worrying about whether the plug will fit in your car
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: koods]
#28014462 - 10/24/22 04:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Makes sense. Yeah I'm surprised they haven't already instituted some type of standard in that regard. I mean we have standards for electrical plugs in general; seems only rational they'd do the same for EV chargers. Especially if they are serious about banning regular cars by 2040 or 2050; whichever it is. Probably only a matter of time.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28014473 - 10/24/22 04:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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For the most part, all the vehicles will charge from any station except tesla. There are different plugs, but the stations work for either typically.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
#28015623 - 10/25/22 09:02 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I feel like charging stations are going to have to be the size of mall parking lots to accommodate everyone having an electric car . Everyone spends allot of time parked at them , the small ones are usually full , I see that being a real challenge .
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28015772 - 10/25/22 11:31 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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336 said: But is CO2 really the problem? it's less than 1% of the atmosphere. If levels were to begin dropping exponentially not only would we be fucked, but pretty much all life would be, including plants.
0.1% concentration of CO2 in the air impairs human decision making on par with a two beer buzz.
1% CO2 concentration in the air causes respiratory acidosis. This results in confusion, delusions, delirium, involuntary convulsions, excessive fatigue, and for people that are not healthy, coma and death.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Kryptos]
#28015787 - 10/25/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The simple and most "correct" answer is it depends on where in the world you live and what type of energy is being used to create the power to charge.
Simply too many variables to give a correct answer. The answer is yes and no depending on the many variables that go into producing efficient energy.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Psilynut2]
#28015801 - 10/25/22 11:54 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilynut2 said: I feel like charging stations are going to have to be the size of mall parking lots to accommodate everyone having an electric car . Everyone spends allot of time parked at them , the small ones are usually full , I see that being a real challenge .
More people will have them at home, so there will be less need to charge at a station.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
#28017793 - 10/26/22 03:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yes. Most countries produce electricity through combustion, usually through coal or gas which means most electric cars are being powered through fossil fuels. Not to mention all the fossil fuels needed to mine all the materials for their batteries. Not really sure why it matters though since the incentive to go electric is to save money on fuel which is almost offset by the 20% average mark up price on your new ride. Not sure why everyone is jumping on fully electric cars either. I think hybrids are the optimal car. Id much rather have the option of running my car on gas and electricity rather than only electric. Why would you want 1 point of failure when you could have two? And why would you want to handicap yourself with having to charge your car? Imagine you're going on a road trip or traveling somewhere and having to stop 4 hrs somewhere charge your car (if you can even find a charging station) when you could simply fill up your car with gas and keep going on? Thats what's so great about gas, the convenience. Which is why i think cars should be hybrid to have the best of both worlds; using electric while its available to save money on short trips and gas while on long trips or if the electricity is out, etc.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: MagicMush123]
#28017812 - 10/26/22 03:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It is still more efficient to use fossil fuels to generate electricity and use that electricity to power an electric motor in a car than run the car on fossil fuels.
The real advantage of hybrids and electrics is the kinetic energy of the car is not wasted. That energy is used to charge the batteries
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: MagicMush123]
#28017813 - 10/26/22 03:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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4 hours to charge is a thing of the past.
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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: koods]
#28017823 - 10/26/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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We're not talking about efficiency. We're talking about convenience.
just noticed your edit and thats not true.
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