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Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use?
    #28004765 - 10/18/22 01:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I mean most power is still generated via fossil fuels right? Which means that electric vehicles are still mostly powered by fossil fuels. Or am I mistaken?

I found this, but I'm not sure how accurate it is.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336] * 1
    #28004824 - 10/18/22 02:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

My wife has a Tesla and it's charged 98% of the time in our garage and we have solar .  They don't have to be powered with fossil fuels but ya I think you right .


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
    #28004859 - 10/18/22 03:01 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

First, electric vehicles are far more efficient than internal combustion vehicles.  Second, even when electricity is generated from fossil fuel, that generation is very efficient because of the scale of power plants.  It isn't really even close.  An electric car results in less carbon emission per mile even if the electricity is 100% from coal.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28004903 - 10/18/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Do you have anything to back these claims up?


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    #28004915 - 10/18/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)



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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336] * 1
    #28004945 - 10/18/22 03:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Looks legit. Mahalo for finding the links for me.

I'm curious if we will ever develop nuclear powered vehicles for mass production. Some kind of tiny Tony Stark reactor or something.

Edit: Nvm nuclear power is still basically a giant steam engine, right? Probably couldn't fit that into a car. That said I could be totally wrong right now.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
    #28004949 - 10/18/22 03:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

If fusion ever becomes a reality, that's possible.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Enlil]
    #28004998 - 10/18/22 04:03 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

We could easily run cars off nuclear engines, I'm pretty sure any idiot with an old davy crockett warhead should be able to build a nuclear stirling engine. I think the bigger concern is the ready access to radioactive material. Every car becomes a potential dirty bomb.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28005006 - 10/18/22 04:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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My wife has a Tesla and it's charged 98% of the time in our garage and we have solar .  They don't have to be powered with fossil fuels but ya I think you right .



Is your solar grid tie?


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #28005015 - 10/18/22 04:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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My wife has a Tesla and it's charged 98% of the time in our garage and we have solar .  They don't have to be powered with fossil fuels but ya I think you right .



Is your solar grid tie?



guaranteed it is


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28005017 - 10/18/22 04:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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We could easily run cars off nuclear engines, I'm pretty sure any idiot with an old davy crockett warhead should be able to build a nuclear stirling engine. I think the bigger concern is the ready access to radioactive material. Every car becomes a potential dirty bomb.



yeah you have a point. Not sure if there is any way around that...


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
    #28005646 - 10/18/22 11:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Damn 336 you're already at almost 1k posts.

That signature is pretty funny also.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #28005648 - 10/18/22 11:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Damn 336 you're already at almost 1k posts.

That signature is pretty funny also.



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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336] * 1
    #28011421 - 10/22/22 09:09 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I’m curious to find reputable, unbiased statistics on how much carbon is emitted when mining for the metals to build a battery.  Also what happens when battery life is depleted. As far as I know, batteries can’t be recycled very easily


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: suicideprevention] * 1
    #28011916 - 10/23/22 03:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That's a good question. EVs or maybe some other non-petrol vehicle regime is obviously coming, and progressive improvements will be made, but having billions of people in the world driving will always have environmental costs.

Actually, I don't even think they can do reputable, unbiased statistics at this point because so much still remains to be seen. I have little faith that super rich and powerful fossil fuel companies will be replaced by significantly less exploitive new energy conglomerates. Capitalism, communism, or social democracy has not made a difference either. If you meet people's needs now, the future is jeopardized.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28013494 - 10/24/22 01:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

EVs result in less green house gasses over the lifetime of the vehicle.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28013551 - 10/24/22 03:57 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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My wife has a Tesla and it's charged 98% of the time in our garage and we have solar .  They don't have to be powered with fossil fuels but ya I think you right .




How many Kilowatt Hours of charging does the Mrs' Tesla take to charge? 50? 75?

You'd need a whopper of a solar system to charge it from empty to full even over a weekend. A 10Kw array might do it in a day in the middle of summer, otherwise it'll be getting charged via the grid, which is still efficient, as well as cost saving, compared to fuel.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: suicideprevention]
    #28013862 - 10/24/22 10:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
EVs result in less green house gasses over the lifetime of the vehicle.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths




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I’m curious to find reputable, unbiased statistics on how much carbon is emitted when mining for the metals to build a battery.  Also what happens when battery life is depleted. As far as I know, batteries can’t be recycled very easily




When I was looking at buying a new vehicle, calculating for an average cost of gas ~3$, a hybrid and a gas only vehicle end up costing roughly the same for the first 100k miles when comparing fuel savings versus higher up front cost of the hybrid. If gas is over 3$ a gallon, or if you drive more than 100k miles, a hybrid becomes cheaper over time.

I assume that the backend pollution stats are about the same.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: Kryptos]
    #28013941 - 10/24/22 11:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure that economically EV are more expensive than hybrids for total cost of ownership.  Just purely with regards to carbon footprint EVs get better the longer they are owned as burning gas is the biggest contributor to carbon by far and keeps growing the more miles driven.


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Re: Do Electric Vehicles actually use less power/fuel to make & use? [Re: 336]
    #28014031 - 10/24/22 12:45 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I like EVs and solar but I hate the hate towards carbon. Just cuz carbon is 666 doesn't mean it deserves to be hated so.



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