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How is this looking? * 2
    #28004404 - 10/18/22 09:12 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone,
  Thank you for taking the time to read my post. This is my first attempt at a mono tub grow, so any criticism is welcome and appreciated. I would just like to start by thanking the posters here at the shroomery for all the wonderful information here. I would never have gotten this far without you.

Back on topic, I put my 66qt tub made to pasty’s ez dialed specs in fruiting conditions directly after spawning 5 qts of fully colonized PE rye grain to damion5050’s bucket tek substrate. This was about 10 days ago, not fully colonized but I have read PE can be a very slow colonizer. Basically my question is does this look right in terms of development and surface conditions, any input is appreciated.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28004408 - 10/18/22 09:15 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

looks good so far


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28004448 - 10/18/22 09:46 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Looks good to me, lots of humidity.  Congrats on 1st mono tub!


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: whatisanerd]
    #28004487 - 10/18/22 10:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

That is excellent to hear, I am very excited to hopefully see some pinning soon. I can’t express how grateful I am for this community, though I haven’t posted much. Thank you very much for your swift response. Hopefully soon I’ll have some prints to get out there, b+ and tidal wave ready on agar now for my next grows… I still need a lot more posts and the middle of November I hope to gain access to the marketplace I have heard about.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28004565 - 10/18/22 11:35 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I like my surface to glisten a bit from good moisture. I can't tell from your pic if your surface is like that, but you can with your own eyes.

It does look like your surface is filling in nicely, though. Hope you get abundant fruits!


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28005524 - 10/18/22 09:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Welcome and congrats!

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Jaksavage]
    #28010613 - 10/22/22 12:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys,

I have an update and a few questions.
First I noticed my first pins today! It has been a very slow process but I guess that is just the nature of penis envy.

My question is, because it has been so long (over two weeks) to see pins should I need to mist? I have noticed that there is not really any beads of water in my surface, however I have noticed a lot of trusted cultivators warn against misting a mono. Would this mean you shouldn’t have to under ideal conditions? Also if I do mist, what would be the most beneficial way to do so?




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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28010634 - 10/22/22 12:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

no one would recommend against misting, they probably mean its unnecessary if you have it dialed in. mist until you see tiny beads on the surface, otherwise dont bother it


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28010662 - 10/22/22 12:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, thank you very much. The speed of replies here is astonishing. I will give the surface a good misting and keep some updates of progress on this thread.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28012978 - 10/23/22 05:59 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Update, I gave the surface several good listings and have put a small fan of the room. First I tried a big oscillating fan but I feel it was too much in the small room as several hours after a misting the surface would no longer glisten. So I have put a small 5”x5” 120v fan blowing in a different direction than the tub. This seems to work well. Thanks for the help bakedbeings.





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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28012982 - 10/23/22 06:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

turn off the fan


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28012995 - 10/23/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I will be away for about three days at work and I’m not sure what to expect. My tub is in a pretty much sealed room with very still air. this should be no problem?

(Edit: I did turn of the fan as bakedbeings suggested, which I’m glad he did.)


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99] * 1
    #28013021 - 10/23/22 06:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

no problem. make sure its misted well before you go


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28013039 - 10/23/22 06:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you, you are a life saver. If you want to pm me a mailing address I can send you some spores if this grow turns out any good.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28013049 - 10/23/22 06:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

thanks bud, im not looking for cube spores right now


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28013067 - 10/23/22 06:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Psilocybe semilanceata Is also native to my area and in season if prints would be of any interest I should have no problem getting a sample. However, I haven’t seen anyone who has had any real success with cultivation. There is a forum on here dedicated to them though.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99] * 1
    #28016064 - 10/25/22 02:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)



I just got home I was away today and yesterday. Last two days did some serious growing.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99] * 1
    #28016078 - 10/25/22 02:43 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Well that looks pretty promising.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Bajazly] * 1
    #28016086 - 10/25/22 02:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:howyoudoing:


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28016359 - 10/25/22 05:11 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It's alive! It's alive!!!


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Awestruck] * 1
    #28016618 - 10/25/22 07:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Newb question, but does anyone have any advice for a first timer on how and when to harvest this variety?


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99] * 2
    #28019069 - 10/27/22 10:27 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)



Just got home, I thought I would have more time until harvest so perhaps a little to mature. Thanks everyone for all the great advice. Especially bakedbeings and awestruck, I hope this forum remains the amazing resource it is for beginners like me.


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28019107 - 10/27/22 10:44 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:rockon:


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28019121 - 10/27/22 10:52 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Cheers man, you’re a legend!


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28019371 - 10/27/22 12:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Imho, you didn't wait too long.

Harvest after veils tear. It looks like you caught them before they dropped spores. All your caps would be dusted with dark spores if you waited longer. If you're ever concerned you waited too long, cut one open and make sure there's no rot.

I've read that the fruits continue to gain a little more mass after the veils tear, but not necessarily generate more active ingredients. So chop 'em when they're ready and reset for your next flush.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: BorisTheSpider]
    #28020050 - 10/27/22 07:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome, thanks @boristhespider. I currently have over half my shrooms in dyhdrator but that is chock full. Should I keep the rest in the fridge until I can get them drying?


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28020280 - 10/27/22 08:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28020829 - 10/28/22 07:31 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks a full harvest! Congrats on the success!


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28022315 - 10/29/22 01:31 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Store freshies in a brown paper bag in the fridge for a couple days.

To dry them pretty quick w/o heat, put a box fan or smaller fan on them in a big wire strainer so they get plenty of airflow. They dry pretty quick that way. Then on to whatever long term storage you plan to do...or just eat em.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: BorisTheSpider]
    #28022536 - 10/29/22 09:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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To dry them pretty quick w/o heat, put a box fan or smaller fan on them in a big wire strainer so they get plenty of airflow. They dry pretty quick that way. Then on to whatever long term storage you plan to do...or just eat em.



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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28023195 - 10/29/22 05:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

@BakedBeings-Are you saying it's a bad idea to dry a harvest without heat? Or the quick part, b/c it definitely is way quicker with the heat of a dehydrator.

Using the fan does work, I don't know of the downsides other than it needing a little patience. A lot of things can work, perhaps not the best option in every situation.

I'm still quite new to all this. I'm eager to learn and share, when I can.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: BorisTheSpider]
    #28023725 - 10/29/22 09:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

fan drying just gets the fruit to the ambient moisture level, not 100% dry. and it takes a while to even do that

best practice is dehydration at 160-170 F (whatever your max setting is. you want to get rid of the water completely and quickly


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: BorisTheSpider]
    #28023755 - 10/29/22 10:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you saying it's a bad idea to dry a harvest without heat?

Using the fan does work




I did a side by side test. I went to costco and bought 2 matching brown baby bella 24 ounce tubs, same weight same freshness date. I built a 20x20 rack from 1x4 wood and window screen and a 20x20 box fan to sit directly on top blowing directly on the mushrooms. I sliced both packages into identical thickness slices to have same same matching test. I put one bin of mushrooms into the presto dehydrator at 120 degrees. That took just at 8 hours to get for sure cracker dry pieces. The other bin I put in the box fan dryer. The box screen with fan I had to run for 40 hours and they came out dry and made the cracking sound and snapped instead of bent, but I could tell they werent as dry as the dehydrator. Fan drying does work but at exceptionally longer time and not as fully dry. The room environment I used for this test is typically between 15 to 20 relative humidity.

In my opinion use a dehydrator for drying and if you have too many to fit all at once, put the rest in front of a fan on a wire rack till they can go into the dehydrator. That way they shrink a little and pre dry a bit too.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28023791 - 10/29/22 10:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I agree it would not get to 100%. I threw it out there as an idea to help process them while the dehydrator was chock full instead of going the fridge route.

@TheUsualSuspect-Cool idea with the test! Any reason you went with 120F on the dehydrator instead of higher temp range? @BakedBeings mentioned running it max heat. Do they turn out different at lower/higher temps (i.e., visually appealing, quality, etc.) versus just drying faster?

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: BorisTheSpider]
    #28023804 - 10/29/22 11:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

On the presto, I think lowest setting is 90. I bumped it up some from that but was going to run some errands and leave the house in the mean time. The unit is made of plastic. I think if I set it at max, prob 160, I get concerned ill come back to the house lit on fire by some accident. Ive been in a couple really bad fires and I get extra over cautious about processes that involve heat or could end up on fire.

I probably could have run it at 160. I might have if I was going to be at the house the whole time.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #28023957 - 10/30/22 02:44 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Are you saying it's a bad idea to dry a harvest without heat?

Using the fan does work




I did a side by side test. I went to costco and bought 2 matching brown baby bella 24 ounce tubs, same weight same freshness date. I built a 20x20 rack from 1x4 wood and window screen and a 20x20 box fan to sit directly on top blowing directly on the mushrooms. I sliced both packages into identical thickness slices to have same same matching test. I put one bin of mushrooms into the presto dehydrator at 120 degrees. That took just at 8 hours to get for sure cracker dry pieces. The other bin I put in the box fan dryer. The box screen with fan I had to run for 40 hours and they came out dry and made the cracking sound and snapped instead of bent, but I could tell they werent as dry as the dehydrator. Fan drying does work but at exceptionally longer time and not as fully dry. The room environment I used for this test is typically between 15 to 20 relative humidity.

In my opinion use a dehydrator for drying and if you have too many to fit all at once, put the rest in front of a fan on a wire rack till they can go into the dehydrator. That way they shrink a little and pre dry a bit too.



Did you weight them before and after to see what kind of loss there was? Did you then throw the box dried ones into the dehydrator at 160F to see if there was further loss?


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Screwup]
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Did you weight them before and after to see what kind of loss there was? Did you then throw the box dried ones into the dehydrator at 160F to see if there was further loss?




I didnt care about any of that. I just wanted to know if air drying as a process was viable with my own eyes. About a hundred bucks later and a day of fabrication and testing and I know for sure. I did throw the box dried into the dehydrator for 3 hours and at that point they were as dry as the first dehydrator run.

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Re: How is this looking? [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 2
    #28028717 - 11/01/22 09:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry for the delay. Harvest from first flush was 127.6 grams




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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28028724 - 11/01/22 09:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

And for what it’s worth, I used a salton dehydrator on full blast over night until they snap instead of bend. seemed to work great 👍


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Littlebird99]
    #28028847 - 11/02/22 01:02 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Harvest from first flush was 127.6 grams





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Re: How is this looking? [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #28028888 - 11/02/22 02:06 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

thats an impressive first yield!
did you weigh them wet as well?


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Re: How is this looking? [Re: Pickle Rick]
    #28030035 - 11/02/22 07:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately I did not, looking back I would like to know what the weight was wet.


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