|
0t0lerance


Registered: 05/01/21
Posts: 962
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 22 days, 6 hours
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melliferous]
#28002524 - 10/17/22 12:14 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Melliferous said: Most of what you see already has a home to go to -- I'll have enough for myself after its all said and done. A lot of my friends love these and prefer them to other available alternatives. Nothing like being rewarded for 3 months worth of effort.
Ah yes, I just have a few people I share this with but wouldn't be able to give that much away. How do you store this much after drying? I have some mylar bags with silica and oxygen absorber, but those are not big enough for that many mushrooms.
But, I do love to see these growths, just beautifull. I have 1 shoebox going as a 'backup' in case my fiddling with bags do not really work out. Thanks for the writeup, great as a reference. What is the substrate debt and how much water do you give them or do you dunk them?
|
Bigworm



Registered: 03/19/22
Posts: 1,902
Loc: Murica
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melliferous]
#28002679 - 10/17/22 06:04 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Melliferous said: Cross post for additional context -- knowledge share.
MS and clone shoeboxes, 8 shown (11 total) all standard cube prep plus my favorite casing at 100%, favorite casing is coir/verm/charcoal/diatomaceous earth, applied at 100%, grain:spawn 1:3 -- all shoeboxes started pinning Day 30, when pins started I put each one in an ezDial mono for additional FAE and then went on a two week vacation.
 Standard cube prep - coir/verm hot tap water sub prep, mixed at 1:3 grain:sub ratio, thin top layer of sub mix at spawn, no additional layer at 100%, pins at Day 30, clone culture (same as below), 66qt mono with modified ezDial hole setup
 Standard cube prep plus casing at 100% - coir/verm hot tap water sub prep, mixed at 1:3 grain:sub ratio, thin top layer of sub mix at spawn, pasteurized peat casing at 100% colonization, pins at Day 30, clone culture, 66qt mono with modified ezDial hole setup
All agar wedges (MS and clone) were allowed to sit at room temp for about 6 weeks (lazy/neglect style) then A2G and then grain jars were allowed to sit for several days longer than standard cubes post 100% -- last photo is a great example of when I start to harvest, all the way to when they bend over and start turning colors.
Wow! That is an amazing grow! I have some plates of semps germinating now. How thick were your subs and top layers?
|
Adas
Lonely Dreamer



Registered: 12/22/16
Posts: 5,278
Loc: Central EU
Last seen: 21 hours, 29 minutes
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melliferous] 1
#28003004 - 10/17/22 11:26 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Melliferous said:
Quote:
The Tao said: Beautiful grow. Whatβs the purpose of the charcoal and DE in the casing layer?
I've been toying with the idea (not a new one for these forums) of using charcoal in place of vermiculite. It's a bit more expensive, but since all of my spent substrates go into my garden/cover crop zones where I grow flowers for my honey bees and am actively building soil I don't mind pre-digesting the charcoal using mycelium right from the start and then use it as a soil amendment later. I can also source charcoal locally and don't have to rely on uline to get the volume of vermiculite I go through on a regular basis. It's a water reservoir and carbon source mostly -- I've seen some massive mushrooms (inactive) grown outdoors on charcoal fed beds.
DE is just a silica source -- I don't see much of a difference when I use it versus when I don't but it feels right so I go with it. Again, I'm always thinking about where the subs are going after I use up all the initial resources and my plants really appreciate all the additional amendments. Incidentally, that's human food grade DE not pool filter DE.
No, charcoal is not a carbon source for mushrooms. Mushrooms (or any other known organisms for that matter) cannot assimilate elemental carbon at all.
|
Melliferous
π΅ππ΅ππ΅


Registered: 10/01/20
Posts: 1,053
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Bigworm] 2
#28003011 - 10/17/22 11:30 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
0t0lerance said: How do you store this much after drying?
Just a big ziplock bag with about half a dozen desiccant (sicila) sachets, nothing special. These will most likely only have to wait up to a month before 'use' so no special longterm storage precautions need to be taken.
Quote:
0t0lerance said: What is the substrate debt and how much water do you give them or do you dunk them?
Substrate depth was standard cube depth 3"-4" about -- or however many inches 3 mycoquarts of grain and 9-12 full quarts of sub mix comes out to when spread on the bottom of a 66qt tub, I use 5250 mL water per 800g of dry coir & 3 quarts of vermiculite -- will be using 800g dry coir and 2 quarts of charcoal in my next grow.
Quote:
Bigworm said:How thick were your subs and top layers?
Sub thickness as mentioned immediately above was 3-4 inches (7.5-10cm) top layers were about 1/4" or .5cm
--------------------
      "No, I don't worry. I tell you, I am a man who believed that I died 20 years ago, and I live like a man who is dead already. I have no fear, whatsoever, of anybody or anything."
Edited by Melliferous (10/17/22 05:33 PM)
|
Melliferous
π΅ππ΅ππ΅


Registered: 10/01/20
Posts: 1,053
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#28003015 - 10/17/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Adas said:
Quote:
Melliferous said:
Quote:
The Tao said: Beautiful grow. Whatβs the purpose of the charcoal and DE in the casing layer?
I've been toying with the idea (not a new one for these forums) of using charcoal in place of vermiculite. It's a bit more expensive, but since all of my spent substrates go into my garden/cover crop zones where I grow flowers for my honey bees and am actively building soil I don't mind pre-digesting the charcoal using mycelium right from the start and then use it as a soil amendment later. I can also source charcoal locally and don't have to rely on uline to get the volume of vermiculite I go through on a regular basis. It's a water reservoir and carbon source mostly -- I've seen some massive mushrooms (inactive) grown outdoors on charcoal fed beds.
DE is just a silica source -- I don't see much of a difference when I use it versus when I don't but it feels right so I go with it. Again, I'm always thinking about where the subs are going after I use up all the initial resources and my plants really appreciate all the additional amendments. Incidentally, that's human food grade DE not pool filter DE.
No, charcoal is not a carbon source for mushrooms. Mushrooms (or any other known organisms for that matter) cannot assimilate elemental carbon at all.
Plants eat exclusively inorganic minerals and I've had mushrooms do just fine when I mixed ocean water into the substrate at a diluted rate. I've also watered many gardens with diluted sea water and they love it.
I think the mode of action requires other organisms for mushrooms to be able to actually use the carbon in charcoal that's why the outdoor beds seem to do so well. In our cultivation conditions inside there isn't enough life for the carbon to actually do much so it's mostly just a water storage mechanism in my tubs. Honestly, I think the biggest mode of action is the effect that colonized charcoal has on CEC (cation-exchange-capacity) in the soil.
--------------------
      "No, I don't worry. I tell you, I am a man who believed that I died 20 years ago, and I live like a man who is dead already. I have no fear, whatsoever, of anybody or anything."
Edited by Melliferous (10/17/22 11:40 AM)
|
Nichrome
I'm a torso!


Registered: 12/17/18
Posts: 6,577
Loc: Zone 5
Last seen: 13 hours, 53 minutes
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melliferous] 2
#28003018 - 10/17/22 11:37 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Rhodopseudomonas palustris eats electrons.... They are Chemoautotrophs.
-------------------- βBetter to be deprived of food for three days, than tea for one.β
Freedom is not the right to do as you please, but the liberty to do as you should. ~Emerson
|
soppos


Registered: 10/24/21
Posts: 591
Loc: π
Last seen: 3 months, 2 days
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#28003056 - 10/17/22 12:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
|
Benderr
Stranger

Registered: 06/05/22
Posts: 96
Last seen: 11 months, 4 days
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#28003292 - 10/17/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Is that true?
Does it eat at your fruits?
|
Rusty2096
rah rah raw in Lady gaga



Registered: 08/23/22
Posts: 4,946
Loc: π
Last seen: 9 days, 16 hours
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melliferous] 2
#28003298 - 10/17/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
just. wow.. 
-------------------- Currently looking for nothing. You guys who sent me stuff are straight up awesome!. We don't own things - things own us. Semi-solid liquid culture (SSLC)
|
Nichrome
I'm a torso!


Registered: 12/17/18
Posts: 6,577
Loc: Zone 5
Last seen: 13 hours, 53 minutes
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Rusty2096]
#28003519 - 10/17/22 06:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
It's not rocket science. They get that from Gyromitra esculenta.
-------------------- βBetter to be deprived of food for three days, than tea for one.β
Freedom is not the right to do as you please, but the liberty to do as you should. ~Emerson
|
Melliferous
π΅ππ΅ππ΅


Registered: 10/01/20
Posts: 1,053
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome] 10
#28003751 - 10/17/22 07:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
For anyone that wanted to know -- those MS and clone cultures averaged 20g dry first flush per shoebox and 50g dry first flush per 66qt tub.
--------------------
      "No, I don't worry. I tell you, I am a man who believed that I died 20 years ago, and I live like a man who is dead already. I have no fear, whatsoever, of anybody or anything."
|
smalltalk_canceled
Babnik


Registered: 07/13/20
Posts: 2,872
Last seen: 18 hours, 29 minutes
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melliferous] 1
#28005062 - 10/18/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Made some pure black kow or store bought manure for gardening jars lately, and seeing fainter-than-grains but still good growth on these jars. Gonna spawn these to pure coir and see what happens.
-------------------- Willpower is the one true virtue
  
|
Nichrome
I'm a torso!


Registered: 12/17/18
Posts: 6,577
Loc: Zone 5
Last seen: 13 hours, 53 minutes
|
|
-------------------- βBetter to be deprived of food for three days, than tea for one.β
Freedom is not the right to do as you please, but the liberty to do as you should. ~Emerson
|
The Fresh Prints
Smell ya later



Registered: 05/19/12
Posts: 1,377
Loc: Bel-Air
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome] 11
#28005460 - 10/18/22 08:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
They do seem to like bags
--------------------

|
SirPsycho
Purple Belt in Google-Fu



Registered: 01/01/20
Posts: 6,948
Loc: Rent free in your head
Last seen: 2 hours, 32 minutes
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Fresh Prints] 8
#28005843 - 10/19/22 05:19 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|

Coming along, got a bit of sporulation happening on a couple of fruit
--------------------
Ask me about free Ps tampanesis, Ps subtropicalis and Ps cubensis (ESS) prints Balance in life is like running on ice.
π
π
π
£π
£π
π
π
π
π
π
    "Mist your balls and fan your asshole" - Pandaskis, 2023
|
Egon_Spengler
Ever lurkin never workin



Registered: 04/02/22
Posts: 2,294
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: SirPsycho]
#28005891 - 10/19/22 06:37 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
You folks are killin it.
|
The Tao
Look at the flowers.


Registered: 09/12/19
Posts: 1,568
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 1 minute, 22 seconds
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: SirPsycho] 2
#28005939 - 10/19/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SirPsycho said:

Coming along, got a bit of sporulation happening on a couple of fruit 
Iβm glad you posted that. Iβm only starting mine and if I saw that melted caramel ice cream growing Iβd have assumed contamination and tossed it.
Edited by The Tao (10/19/22 11:17 AM)
|
bakedbeings
orbiter of truth


Registered: 09/01/20
Posts: 4,218
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao] 1
#28005960 - 10/19/22 07:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Tao said:
Quote:
SirPsycho said:

Coming along, got a bit of sporulation happening on a couple of fruit 
I glad you posted that. Iβm only starting mine and if I saw that melted caramel ice cream growing Iβd have assumed contamination and tossed it.
considering who grew those i was fully ready to believe that was haagen dazs dulce de leche
|
SirPsycho
Purple Belt in Google-Fu



Registered: 01/01/20
Posts: 6,948
Loc: Rent free in your head
Last seen: 2 hours, 32 minutes
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
#28006008 - 10/19/22 08:17 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Tao said:
Quote:
SirPsycho said:

Coming along, got a bit of sporulation happening on a couple of fruit 
I glad you posted that. Iβm only starting mine and if I saw that melted caramel ice cream growing Iβd have assumed contamination and tossed it.
I just realized why I always get hungry looking at these jars 
Seriously though, that is pretty normal for semperviva
--------------------
Ask me about free Ps tampanesis, Ps subtropicalis and Ps cubensis (ESS) prints Balance in life is like running on ice.
π
π
π
£π
£π
π
π
π
π
π
    "Mist your balls and fan your asshole" - Pandaskis, 2023
|
soppos


Registered: 10/24/21
Posts: 591
Loc: π
Last seen: 3 months, 2 days
|
Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#28006013 - 10/19/22 08:21 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
|
|