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Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP
    #27992015 - 10/10/22 01:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I have been in the SGFC phase of my process for about 8 days now.  I am not seeing any pinning, and on one of the containers I am seeing this white over growth.  When I touch it it is very soft to the touch and breaks apart.  I am wondering if I am spraying it too much?  I am removing the lid, fanning, and spraying pretty heavily 2 times a day.

I have 2 x 5000k shop lights in the room on a 12hour on/off cycle

Here are 2 pics of my setup.  I have the 3 SGFC containers, I have them in my closet with the temp at 70degrees and they are lifted up off the ground using 4 jars.








Here is a pic of the one SGFC that is showing that soft white over growth.  Is the SCFC that is showing the white over growth ruined?  Can it be saved?




Here is a closeup pic of the cakes in the other SGFC that is not showing the white growth, but also not showing any pins after 9 days.




And here are some pics that is showing kind of a dark/blue spots.  I  Is this contamination?








Any advice to what I am doing wrong or ways to improve are much appreciated.


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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992097 - 10/10/22 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Fanning is detrimental, however your cakes are looking just fine. You’re probably due to see growth soon. Stop fanning, monitor surface conditions and spray only when needed. They look healthy, which is good. Doesn’t look like you fanned enough to damage them.

You’re probably pretty close. Some of these look like theyve got little nubs on them.

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992126 - 10/10/22 02:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry 8 days isn't that long last batch of cakes I did where in for 2 weeks before I got pins.  I agree forget the fanning if chamber is built correctly you should have plenty of FAE and don't over mist only mist when needed.

Did you wait a week or so after the cakes where completely colonized before you birthed them?  If not they may still be consolidating internally.


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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: croyleje]
    #27992169 - 10/10/22 02:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I waited a week.  Good to hear that the cakes look good.

But even the ones that have that soft foamy growth on them?  I don't have to be concerned about those?

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992257 - 10/10/22 03:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, I waited a week.  Good to hear that the cakes look good.

But even the ones that have that soft foamy growth on them?  I don't have to be concerned about those?



Just mycelium.

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992258 - 10/10/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Which variety? Almost looks like the start of KSS or it may be blobbing.


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    #27992262 - 10/10/22 03:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Which variety? Almost looks like the start of KSS or it may be blobbing.



I was thinking it might be blobbing too. That second closeup has some blobby growth

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #27992270 - 10/10/22 03:46 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Make you some of These with your tubs. :mushroom2:


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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: cozmyc]
    #27992305 - 10/10/22 04:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Any concern for those last pictures showing the dark/blue sections

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992342 - 10/10/22 04:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

That’s just bruising, likely from the fanning and generally too much attention.

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992354 - 10/10/22 04:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Don’t directly mist your cakes.  The bruising is coming from one of two places… drying out or directly misting them.  You have casing on top of the cakes.  If your cakes need water, add a little bit to that and your cakes will slowly absorb it.  Misting the cakes directly is matting the myc on the fruiting surface.  The fragile little tendrils of myc that come together to form knots is being flattened when you spray them.  We don’t mist our monos for that reason.. well maaaaaaybe once before pinning starts if we get the intial water ratio a little wrong

If you need to rehydrate the tub, just spray the sides of the tub and perlite between the cakes only. 

That’s so many holes lol. I’d tape up about a 1/3 of them personally, at least.  I know you’re just following the tek but it’s outdated imo.  But if you wanted to stay the course, I’d just keep the tub walls and perlite wet and stop fanning like has been said.. the last thing those tubs need is more FAE.  The cakes look pretty decent and are close to giving up the goods.  Definitely check out the water tub link above

These cake bins have probably have 10-20 .25” holes in them covered w/tyvek.  Didn’t mist the bins at all

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster]
    #27992439 - 10/10/22 05:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting.  All over this site it says to put holes every 2”.  I havent seen anywhere that you could do less.  Wish I knew that, as it was big PITA.  If I were to redo it again, what guidelines would I use to determine how many holes?  Once every 4”?

I have definitely been spraying the cakes directly.  I will now only spray the sides of the walls.  Not sure exactly how I would go about spraying the perlite only, but I will see if I can direct the sprayer to that area only.


What are some of the things I can look for to figure out when I need to mist the walls/perlite and when I do not need to?  What does dry enough to necessitate a misting of the walls look like?

And how do I know how much to spray?  Like 10 x pumps  of the mister? 20?  More? Less?

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992855 - 10/10/22 08:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Just make sure the walls stay wet and try and keep the perlite wet.. not trying to freak you out or anything and it might still be an alright setup for you as long as you keep things wet.  It’s just more upkeep than I’d want to do.

I did a recent cake tub in the last few years where I did like 6 1/4” holes around the cake level like 6” apart on the long sides and a few on the short and worked out well.. for PE ms anyway.



That can kind of guide you but you’ll have to dial that kind of thing in to your environment.  You can get good flushes with a lot of different hole set ups so don’t be too afraid just remember you can always add more holes

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster]
    #27992861 - 10/10/22 09:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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These cake bins have probably have 10-20 .25” holes in them covered w/tyvek.  Didn’t mist the bins at all





What do you mean “covered w/tyvek”?

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: cozmyc]
    #27992866 - 10/10/22 09:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Make you some of These with your tubs. :mushroom2:





Can you do the water tub tech with a Cake rolled in verm? Or do you have to do it with coir?

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27992867 - 10/10/22 09:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I just taped squares of tyvek over the holes but that pic 15+ years old.. that was before the sgfc was even a thing.  The open holes is what I’d do now.  I was just showing you that even that many restricted holes works with lots of cakes

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster]
    #27993644 - 10/11/22 12:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I think I see that I have too much evaporation going.

What kind of tape should I cover some of the holes with?

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27993649 - 10/11/22 12:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Can I use micro pore tape or does that let the humidity out?

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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
    #27993670 - 10/11/22 12:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Micropore is fine

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    #27998866 - 10/14/22 03:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

So I covered about a 1/3 of the holes up.  Not sure if that made a difference or they were just ready to pin,  but I've got tons of action now. I do notice I do not need to spray as much. 

Appreciate all the advice!!!

Everything else look good now?  Anything else I should be doing?  For harvest I'm looking to do it just after the veil breaks, correct?

Check out the pics:












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