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1st post and hail mary?
    #27993938 - 10/11/22 03:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hail Mary

Hello Everyone, new to the forum and new cultivator.  First I wished I had found y'all a lot sooner than I have, but I suspect this is part of the process.  Unbelievable how much info is here.  Okay on with the question and that is what to do with this last small tub container with ub spawn to cvg. 

I have had three experiments going all based on videos that I watched. 

First experiment was almost successful and given what I have read here I am amazed it made it as far as it did.

I watched a cute video of this boomer shroomer (Ashley) and was so thrilled to see how easy she made it seem.  I bought her inflatable tub and some poop, spawn bag, coir from north spore (actually mono tub kit which came with a bunch of stuff). Anyway got a spore syringe from mush love which came with stickers and nice packaging.  At the same time I was watching some video on UB and thought this would be fun to try as well.  I setup shop in my bathroom.  We have a walk in shower and I hosed the whole thing down with Lysol and sprayed iso on everything trying to be as clean as possible.  Q.. if you grow at home where do you do it?.I have dogs and they are hairy. 

Anyway I inoculated my spawn bag 5 cc and for the hell of it two UB bags.  Unfortunately I don't have a photo of the spawn bags but they did seem extremely clean but if I ever do this again I will try agar but want to try pk next (should have started here first).  So roughly 15 days did the shake and break on the spawn bag all was well.  After another week or so the bag did look fully colonized and decided it was time to move to step 2 and spawn to sub.  Got my inflatable tub out, gloves on iso on everything inside my bathroom.  Lysol again..mixed my poop, coir all up and cased it.  Had spawn left over so I took the remaining and put it in the north spore setup.. spilled some poop and coir on the bathroom floor.  Scooped it up and threw it in the tub.  (Don't do that). This tub was the first to die, what ever was on my bathroom floor grew fast.  That tub was stuck in my closet.  The boomer tub went in a second closet.  It did pretty well but never saw a pin after 14 days I believe the trich got it.








  So that left me with two UB bags which I left to colonize more.  At this point I was thinking about contamination a lot more.  I bought this giant still air box and decided to move the operation to my gest bathroom.  Lysoled the hell out of the bathroom and let it sit, could hardly breathe in there..ah put micro tape on the air duct as well.  Put everything inside the clean air box along with a HEPA fan and birth one of the UB bags on some perlite and rolled it in verm.  It's been in here for 8 days and I think it's going to die as well.  Took the second bag and spawned it to cvg and it's sitting in a 3qt tub inside the still air box.  Not sure what to do with it when it colonization is done.. maybe dub tube it?  It's likely all of this is a lost cause but it's been a fun learning experience and I already want to try pk. 





Not 100% sure what happened but I spilled some of the sub/spawn mix in this last tub and it's growing ๐Ÿ˜…


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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph] * 1
    #27993967 - 10/11/22 04:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome! You seem to have a great attitude which is all that's really required :smile: that and clean spawn..

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I watched a cute video of this boomer shroomer (Ashley) and was so thrilled to see how easy she made it seem.  I bought her inflatable tub and some poop, spawn bag, coir from north spore (actually mono tub kit which came with a bunch of stuff). Anyway got a spore syringe from mush love which came with stickers and nice packaging.  At the same time I was watching some video on UB and thought this would be fun to try as well.




There's no wrong way to get into mycology! The more the merrier. That being said, it's important to keep in mind that 99% of youtube/instagram/tiktok/etc content is trying to sell you something. They have a vested interest in making it seem easy, telling you to inject spores directly into grain bags, selling accessories, etc. Take any page like this with a grain of salt.

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I setup shop in my bathroom.  We have a walk in shower and I hosed the whole thing down with Lysol and sprayed iso on everything trying to be as clean as possible.  Q.. if you grow at home where do you do it?.I have dogs and they are hairy.




Wherever's cleanest and you can shut the dogs out for a few minutes. Bathroom works great.

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Anyway I inoculated my spawn bag 5 cc and for the hell of it two UB bags.  Unfortunately I don't have a photo of the spawn bags but they did seem extremely clean but if I ever do this again I will try agar but want to try pk next (should have started here first).  So roughly 15 days did the shake and break on the spawn bag all was well.  After another week or so the bag did look fully colonized and decided it was time to move to step 2 and spawn to sub.  Got my inflatable tub out, gloves on iso on everything inside my bathroom.  Lysol again..mixed my poop, coir all up and cased it.  Had spawn left over so I took the remaining and put it in the north spore setup.. spilled some poop and coir on the bathroom floor.  Scooped it up and threw it in the tub.  (Don't do that). This tub was the first to die, what ever was on my bathroom floor grew fast.  That tub was stuck in my closet.  The boomer tub went in a second closet.  It did pretty well but never saw a pin after 14 days I believe the trich got it.




Yeah, picking sub up off the floor and mixing it probably isn't a great idea. There's also a high chance the spawn was bacterial (see link above) :frown:

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So that left me with two UB bags which I left to colonize more.  At this point I was thinking about contamination a lot more.  I bought this giant still air box and decided to move the operation to my gest bathroom.  Lysoled the hell out of the bathroom and let it sit, could hardly breathe in there..ah put micro tape on the air duct as well.




Great job with sterile procedure! Do let the lysol settle a bit though, it's not great to breathe.

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Put everything inside the clean air box along with a HEPA fan and birth one of the UB bags on some perlite and rolled it in verm.  It's been in here for 8 days and I think it's going to die as well.  Took the second bag and spawned it to cvg and it's sitting in a 3qt tub inside the still air box.  Not sure what to do with it when it colonization is done.. maybe dub tube it?  It's likely all of this is a lost cause but it's been a fun learning experience and I already want to try pk.




Take it out of there ASAP! It's probably far too dry and not getting any fresh air. Look up fruiting chambers - the water tub is a good place to start - it doesn't need to be sterile or have a fan in it.

Like you said there's a bunch of great info here. And great folks too :smile: good luck!

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: CultiV8] * 4
    #27993981 - 10/11/22 04:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

wow...my friend this post is a doctorate thesis on what not to do. congrats on getting every bad idea out of the way, now youre ready to start for real

spores to grain is bad
UB TEK is awful
that SAB is crazy. take those arm thingies out
S stands for still. putting a fan in one is bad
you can stop killing yourself with lysol
sterility doesnt matter once the spawn is colonized

idk if i covered everything. PF TEK would be a good next step. either link in my sig will get you there


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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph]
    #27994242 - 10/11/22 06:59 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery!

Start reading @ Bodhisatta posts.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph]
    #27994323 - 10/11/22 07:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for the welcome, encouraging words, advice and a few laughs.  Yes this was a dang near a sh@t show, but I got my hands in tub and it's a strart.  I don't recommend doing it this way..๐Ÿคฃ.  Have a lot more research to do and reading but looking forward to the next step in this journey. 

Few thoughts

Perhaps do a dry run before you try this for real.  It can be intimidating to try some of these things on the fly and it can get tad nerve racking the first time.  Heck just putting substrate in my oven seemed odd to do.  Point is, you imagine it one way and then it turns out different. 

Hands things on the box?, those things are sewed on there so I would have to cut them out.  They are just arm holes with elastic bands.  The thought was a Martha tent or terrarium.  Has a reptile mister in the tub.  The HEPA fan I was thinking filtered air.  Keep it at high humidity.  Idk what to do with that rice cake in there.  I suspect it's actually moist.  The fae is clearly an issue here... although these things seem very rhizo if I have that correct?  The boomer tub seemed like a good idea but the bottom of the tub is like a pool liner so I did the spawn to sub in my shower and moved it to the closet, which I should have repacked it after the move and I ended up with cracks.  Anyway I hope that was mycelium I was growing but it definitely didn't fruit and that sucks.  I still have the two UB bags and would like to see at least one mushy.  Any advice would be helpful. I have the one in open air inside sitting there and the one colonize the sub in the one with the lid on it.  Spawned 6 days ago and has a lid on.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph] * 1
    #27994340 - 10/11/22 08:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

My advice: Build a still air box, as I assume that collapsible box does not work well.
Start with PF tek. Fruit those badboys in a water tub.


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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph] * 2
    #27994366 - 10/11/22 08:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you shower?

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: Rusty2096] * 1
    #27994378 - 10/11/22 08:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you shower?

:showerlove:




Lol..fare question.  It's a guest bathroom with a out of order sign โ˜ข๏ธ.. I shower in the walk in where I did my inoculation. On the boomer tub that died.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph]
    #27994402 - 10/11/22 08:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Few more photos might be useful not sure.












Cake on the perlite is my biggest concern, it's 7 days from coming out of the Ben's bag.  The little 3 qt tub holds the second bag spawned to cvg.  It's on day 6.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: KROM]
    #27994412 - 10/11/22 08:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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My advice: Build a still air box, as I assume that collapsible box does not work well.
Start with PF tek. Fruit those badboys in a water tub.





Oh totally missed this.. thank you that's a 2nd for water tub.  Appreciate the link.  Thank you both for this suggestion.. water tub.. can't wait to find out what this is.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: KROM] * 1
    #27994416 - 10/11/22 08:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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KROM said:
My advice: Build a still air box, as I assume that collapsible box does not work well.
Start with PF tek. Fruit those badboys in a water tub.



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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: Munchauzen] * 2
    #27994456 - 10/11/22 09:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

for a SAB you want the biggest clear tote you can find and you want big comfortable holes

those soft tarp walls, elastic arm bands, and equipment inside cause currents and defeat the purpose of the device

im sorry but all that stuff you bought was a write off :frown:


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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27994499 - 10/11/22 10:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Bakedbeings said:
for a SAB you want the biggest clear tote you can find and you want big comfortable holes

those soft tarp walls, elastic arm bands, and equipment inside cause currents and defeat the purpose of the device

im sorry but all that stuff you bought was a write off :frown:





I'm pretty sure I have seen one of those somewhere.  Dude used a huge bit to cut the holes.  In my mind I was thinking the holes would suck air inside and contaminate what I was doing.  Appreciate the reply on this it will make doing the pf cakes better.  The tent it self isn't really to bad an idea. I see your point with the air flow.  You do have to snake your arms in there.  It doesn't have gloves and made think it would be a clean place to do spawn.  Flowhood would be a really nice thing to have but not sure if I am that vested.  Do you try and work above the holes?  I did see a cell phone sized one and thankfully didn't buy that.. silver lining.

Agree with you on the right off.  The boomer tub is cute, but needs a hard plastic base. The lid that goes on top gets a lot of condensation.  I distinctly remember thinking that one or more water droplets fell on the project below. It definitely bruised it.  I was thinking that is what lead to the trich as the white turned a bit yellowish and with in a few days boom..or now it was probably that or from the original syringe from what I have read on here.  The north spore box did actually seem ok.  I don't quite understand the purpose behind the many holes they have on the bottom half of the tub.  The HEPA fan..I have dogs and allergies and here I am working with spores.  Anyway appreciate it.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph]
    #27994592 - 10/12/22 12:37 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like blue/green mold in pics 1 and 3. I agree with the suggestion to start with PF-Tek, then move on to agar once you've had some success.

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: Exbat]
    #27994777 - 10/12/22 07:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

yes a hepa fan is a nice thing to have, its just irrelevant to this discussion

the SAB is a bit anti-intuitive but it works. you want the holes to be wide relative to your arms so when you move your hands in and out you dont create any compression or vacuum action. the air within the box needs to remain still and by installing little arm cuffs you ruin that. glove boxes and boxes with tight seals around the arms are for containing nasty fumes, not doing sterile work

my best advice is to disregard whatever you learned from BS (hey that works!), put everything you bought to the side, and restart by following trusted teks from this site. dont try to figure anything out of back-engineer any processes, just obey instructions and get results. after a while you will see how things work and you can start playing around more, but for now thats only gonna set you back


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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph]
    #28013209 - 10/23/22 08:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I finally got a single freakishly large mushroom to grow.  It's taken around 4 weeks but should at least give me a decent spore print.  Not sure at this point if I should try soaking this cake after I harvest this single shroom or what any suggestions would be helpful.


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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: cmurph]
    #28013405 - 10/23/22 10:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Oh dear Murph

I can only really reiterate what was said back up there by Krom and Baked

But yes you grew a shroom and you have an opportunity to get a good print or two, as you can print a cap more than once, second one being vastly cleaner usually, so long as you handle the cap appropriately (sterilized tweezers or such)

you can dunk the cake there again and I would recommend putting it in any other situation except the contraption you have it in. Humidity chamber, water tub, etc. Even just a ziplock over the top of a small tupperware with a few holes in the top of the bag, like the size holes a hole punch for filing would make, just a few of them

It will probably make a bunch more mushrooms once the conditions are alright, the way it is growing all that fluff on the cake, I feel your air exchange situation is far from optimal

all just my two cents, but I recommend everyone learn agar. It is literally a game changer and the sooner you learn it the sooner you are growing clean mushrooms with reckless abandon. Step one, build a normal SAB and a simple ass tub. Step two, inoculate a round of PF Tek, and then learn agar alongside while you wait for them to come to term

I'm sorry that probably all that is not necessarily what you want to hear, but all those contraptions you have are pretty much useless and you are right, this is somewhat part of the process, when most youtube growers are retarded and attempt to 'teach' others who don't know yet how to sort good info from bad, well, this is usually the outcome, we see a lot of this around here. But you found us and now you can begin educating yourself for real with a good source of info

here are two links I link regularly to help get new guys reading the right things:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24144021
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23078425

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all the best and good luck

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Re: 1st post and hail mary? [Re: SingularFusion] * 1
    #28014259 - 10/24/22 03:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It's like you're me. But with slightly different hair.

I'm a reforming ex redditor who's starting over with agar. In the meantime I'm shopping for a pressure cooker


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