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Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP
#27992015 - 10/10/22 01:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have been in the SGFC phase of my process for about 8 days now. I am not seeing any pinning, and on one of the containers I am seeing this white over growth. When I touch it it is very soft to the touch and breaks apart. I am wondering if I am spraying it too much? I am removing the lid, fanning, and spraying pretty heavily 2 times a day.
I have 2 x 5000k shop lights in the room on a 12hour on/off cycle
Here are 2 pics of my setup. I have the 3 SGFC containers, I have them in my closet with the temp at 70degrees and they are lifted up off the ground using 4 jars.


Here is a pic of the one SGFC that is showing that soft white over growth. Is the SCFC that is showing the white over growth ruined? Can it be saved?

Here is a closeup pic of the cakes in the other SGFC that is not showing the white growth, but also not showing any pins after 9 days.

And here are some pics that is showing kind of a dark/blue spots. I Is this contamination?



Any advice to what I am doing wrong or ways to improve are much appreciated.
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#27992097 - 10/10/22 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fanning is detrimental, however your cakes are looking just fine. You’re probably due to see growth soon. Stop fanning, monitor surface conditions and spray only when needed. They look healthy, which is good. Doesn’t look like you fanned enough to damage them.
You’re probably pretty close. Some of these look like theyve got little nubs on them.
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#27992126 - 10/10/22 02:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't worry 8 days isn't that long last batch of cakes I did where in for 2 weeks before I got pins. I agree forget the fanning if chamber is built correctly you should have plenty of FAE and don't over mist only mist when needed.
Did you wait a week or so after the cakes where completely colonized before you birthed them? If not they may still be consolidating internally.
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: croyleje]
#27992169 - 10/10/22 02:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I waited a week. Good to hear that the cakes look good.
But even the ones that have that soft foamy growth on them? I don't have to be concerned about those?
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#27992257 - 10/10/22 03:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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nowayjose7 said: Yes, I waited a week. Good to hear that the cakes look good.
But even the ones that have that soft foamy growth on them? I don't have to be concerned about those?
Just mycelium.
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#27992258 - 10/10/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Which variety? Almost looks like the start of KSS or it may be blobbing.
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I was thinking it might be blobbing too. That second closeup has some blobby growth
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#27992270 - 10/10/22 03:46 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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#27992305 - 10/10/22 04:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any concern for those last pictures showing the dark/blue sections
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#27992342 - 10/10/22 04:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That’s just bruising, likely from the fanning and generally too much attention.
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#27992354 - 10/10/22 04:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don’t directly mist your cakes. The bruising is coming from one of two places… drying out or directly misting them. You have casing on top of the cakes. If your cakes need water, add a little bit to that and your cakes will slowly absorb it. Misting the cakes directly is matting the myc on the fruiting surface. The fragile little tendrils of myc that come together to form knots is being flattened when you spray them. We don’t mist our monos for that reason.. well maaaaaaybe once before pinning starts if we get the intial water ratio a little wrong
If you need to rehydrate the tub, just spray the sides of the tub and perlite between the cakes only.
That’s so many holes lol. I’d tape up about a 1/3 of them personally, at least. I know you’re just following the tek but it’s outdated imo. But if you wanted to stay the course, I’d just keep the tub walls and perlite wet and stop fanning like has been said.. the last thing those tubs need is more FAE. The cakes look pretty decent and are close to giving up the goods. Definitely check out the water tub link above
These cake bins have probably have 10-20 .25” holes in them covered w/tyvek. Didn’t mist the bins at all
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster]
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Interesting. All over this site it says to put holes every 2”. I havent seen anywhere that you could do less. Wish I knew that, as it was big PITA. If I were to redo it again, what guidelines would I use to determine how many holes? Once every 4”?
I have definitely been spraying the cakes directly. I will now only spray the sides of the walls. Not sure exactly how I would go about spraying the perlite only, but I will see if I can direct the sprayer to that area only.
What are some of the things I can look for to figure out when I need to mist the walls/perlite and when I do not need to? What does dry enough to necessitate a misting of the walls look like?
And how do I know how much to spray? Like 10 x pumps of the mister? 20? More? Less?
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#27992855 - 10/10/22 08:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just make sure the walls stay wet and try and keep the perlite wet.. not trying to freak you out or anything and it might still be an alright setup for you as long as you keep things wet. It’s just more upkeep than I’d want to do.
I did a recent cake tub in the last few years where I did like 6 1/4” holes around the cake level like 6” apart on the long sides and a few on the short and worked out well.. for PE ms anyway.

That can kind of guide you but you’ll have to dial that kind of thing in to your environment. You can get good flushes with a lot of different hole set ups so don’t be too afraid just remember you can always add more holes
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster]
#27992861 - 10/10/22 09:01 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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These cake bins have probably have 10-20 .25” holes in them covered w/tyvek. Didn’t mist the bins at all

What do you mean “covered w/tyvek”?
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Can you do the water tub tech with a Cake rolled in verm? Or do you have to do it with coir?
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#27992867 - 10/10/22 09:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just taped squares of tyvek over the holes but that pic 15+ years old.. that was before the sgfc was even a thing. The open holes is what I’d do now. I was just showing you that even that many restricted holes works with lots of cakes
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#27993644 - 10/11/22 12:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I think I see that I have too much evaporation going.
What kind of tape should I cover some of the holes with?
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#27993649 - 10/11/22 12:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can I use micro pore tape or does that let the humidity out?
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Micropore is fine
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: DERRAYLD] 2
#27998866 - 10/14/22 03:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I covered about a 1/3 of the holes up. Not sure if that made a difference or they were just ready to pin, but I've got tons of action now. I do notice I do not need to spray as much.
Appreciate all the advice!!!
Everything else look good now? Anything else I should be doing? For harvest I'm looking to do it just after the veil breaks, correct?
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Looking good!
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Thanks!!
Whets the jist of the weight you should get from a cake per flush? Whats average? What's better then that?
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#27998900 - 10/14/22 03:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’d say ~3ish grams dry is fairly average but you can get a lot more than that with a clone or just ms genetics.
I think I use to get like 5.3g dry from each cake averaged out over 24 cakes in my PE cake bins

Some did higher than that some better but the average per cake was 5.3g. Which isn’t too bad for 24 cakes
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fahtster said: I’d say ~3ish grams dry is fairly average but you can get a lot more than that with a clone or just ms genetics.
I think I use to get like 5.3g dry from each cake averaged out over 24 cakes in my PE cake bins

Some did higher than that some better but the average per cake was 5.3g. Which isn’t too bad for 24 cakes
Good info thanks..
What's your opinions on dunking after the 1st harvest for a 2nd flush? Do you recommend dunking? If so, for how long? And do not roll in vermiculite again, correct?
I've read to dunk for anything form 4-24hours, or to not dunk at all and just heavily mist.
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Looking good. I would trim the tin foil back so the perlite can work better at producing humidity onto the cakes. Keep it up!
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fahtster said: I’d say ~3ish grams dry is fairly average but you can get a lot more than that with a clone or just ms genetics.
I think I use to get like 5.3g dry from each cake averaged out over 24 cakes in my PE cake bins

Some did higher than that some better but the average per cake was 5.3g. Which isn’t too bad for 24 cakes
Good info thanks..
What's your opinions on dunking after the 1st harvest for a 2nd flush? Do you recommend dunking? If so, for how long? And do not roll in vermiculite again, correct?
I've read to dunk for anything form 4-24hours, or to not dunk at all and just heavily mist.
Well the dunk times should really depend on how well the cakes do.. if there’s a heavy flush, there’s more water to replace so longer dunk times. Your cakes look like they’re gonna do pretty well so I’d say 18-24h. Heavy misting cakes isn’t going to do much to rehydrate them. You can add water to the casings over a few days instead of dunking but you need a pretty thick layer that isn’t fully colonized at least a little bit. I’d just dunk them.
You can mist coir/verm grain substrates to rehydrate them because they aren’t as dense as cakes and take on water pretty easily but cakes need more than misting them.. they need either sit in water via dunk or over hydrated thick casings that the cakes can pull water from over the course of some days. Dunking is faster but more work since you have to handle and clean the cakes etc
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Looks like I've got a wide range of where they are in their fruiting cycle. These 3 looked ready to be harvested. They weighed 9g wet, and now I have then in a dehydrator at 150F, going to watch them over the next 24 hours till they get cracker dry.
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Todays update on the 3 tubs.
This first tub is the most consistent with lots of good action, it also had a 48 hour head start on the other 2 tubs. They all seem to continue to have regular growth that I can see over the course of the day. Listening to some advice in this thread, I trimmed some of the foil to give the perlite more of a shot of delivering humidity, and I moved them closer together to promote a better micro climate. I'm going to be harvesting these individually as I see the veils breaking. Looking good here?

Here is the 2nd tub. This one was about 2 days later then the 1st tub, this was the tub that I harvested those 3 mushroom's earlier today (2nd pic). And there is another 2 x cake with good looking growth (3rd & 4th pic), I have another 2-3 with minimal pining (5t pic), and about 6-8 with little to no pinning (last pic). How do these look? Just keep patient and wait on these or look to change anything?

Here is the 3rd tub. This one was about 48hours later then the 2nd tub. I first noticed pins yesterday, but they seemed to have stalled a bit. I maybe feel like they look a little dry? I got the perlite really wet this AM to try to get them a bit more moist. Since I have been told not to spray directly I feel like they all look drier then when I was spraying directly on them, but I guess that's to be expected. These are also in a much smaller plastic container then the other 2. Just stay patient on these also?
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If those last cakes are seeming dry and you want to rehydrate the cakes because you think they’re stalling, you can do Bottom watering that’ll safely deliver water to the cakes without soaking the pins
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Looking good man! As Faht mentioned, make sure the cakes dont get too dry, but also dont soak em soggy either. A balance between the two
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Got it. Just made some watering lids for the 3rd tub. Will watch it over the next 2 days and see if it helps
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Nice! Looking good, you taking some clones?
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I probably should. Can you share the best link to follow that TEK?
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Start Here
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I assume clones are different then prints, correct?
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Yes, prints are a mix of genetics and a clone is the specific genes of the fruit you take tissue from.
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Also, I forgot about This. You can use the pucks made in that link for agar work, until you get agar together.
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: cozmyc] 1
#28001795 - 10/16/22 01:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did a full harvest on one of my tubs today. I’ll share some pics later.
I’m dunking those cakes that I harvested now and will place back in the chamber tomorrow. I will not cover these with coir/verm.
Question - I had some cakes in another tub that just never showed much growth, so I rinsed off all the verm and im dunking them again. Do I roll these cakes in coir/verm again since they never took off? Or do I just dunk and place back in the tub?
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#28001820 - 10/16/22 01:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can roll them if you want.. it’s up to you. Maybe not roll one of them to see if there’s a significant difference
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster] 1
#28001861 - 10/16/22 02:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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fahtster said: You can roll them if you want.. it’s up to you. Maybe not roll one of them to see if there’s a significant difference
Copy that..Thanks
So here are some pics from the first harvest. I seem to have lots of fruits, but small fruits. After they dry they are pretty small. What are some things I could do to try to increase the size? Should I be trying to get less fruits so the ones that grow are bigger? Will these tiny ones all combined still have a reasonable potency?
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7] 1
#28001874 - 10/16/22 02:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of it is genetics but usually the more fruits the smaller they are. For example this cake grew one giant fruit.

Over-saturation can cause smaller stunted growth but I tend to lean more towards genetics. You can try and clone a larger fruit and that can boost the overall size. Personally, I prefer smaller mush as long as there’s a lot of them. They’re easier to dry and eat (less to chew up lol) and anecdotally, they tend to pack a punch just as much as larger mush but of course that varies greatly variety to variety
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: fahtster] 3
#28003372 - 10/17/22 04:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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fahtster said: If those last cakes are seeming dry and you want to rehydrate the cakes because you think they’re stalling, you can do Bottom watering that’ll safely deliver water to the cakes without soaking the pins
Thanks for the advice on these bottom watering trays. All these pics are from the cakes that stalled. I put them in the water trays and this is 3 days later. Lots of small fruits.
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#28003618 - 10/17/22 06:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: cozmyc]
#28003645 - 10/17/22 07:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those are excellent
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#28003647 - 10/17/22 07:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was that your first grow? Great work!
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: Rusty2096]
#28003764 - 10/17/22 07:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: Was that your first grow? Great work! 
Yes, first grow. Pretty pumped to see the literal fruits of my labor. And thanks for all the help these last 2 weeks from everyone. This site is so good about getting quick answers, and as I beginner you tend to have lots of questions.
I am in the process of dunking them again and going for the 2nd flush. Im going to try a Water Tub Tek for the 2nd flush. I couldn’t get the coir ready in time so I rolled them in verm and I have 2 water tubs going now, with another set of cakes dunking overnight. I may throw those back in the SGFC just to have some thing to compare it to the Water Tub TEK. And for the 3rd flush I’ll try the coir.
I will also try to get some clone material on this 2nd flush. I’m still trying to wrap my head around the Agar process. Would be great to be able to have good genetic starting material and be able to have consistent and repeatable output.
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Re: Not seeing pinning in my SGFC...and some other issues....need some HELP [Re: nowayjose7]
#28003780 - 10/17/22 07:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The SGFC tek says to not roll the cake in verm after dunking it for the 2nd flush. In this instance that I want transfer those cakes from SGFC to the Water Tub do I need to roll them in verm for this?
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