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BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room.
    #27989827 - 10/09/22 09:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I have a premade kit (yes, I know, first noob mistake), for my BFR jars. I have 7 in the kit right now, with perlite on the bottom. I made sure the perlite wasn't overly soaked.

Put the 7 cakes into the PF Tek tub a week ago. I cracked it open to have a better look at the cakes this morning and it smells strongly like a gym locker room. None of the cakes smelled of anything but mushroom before I dunked them.

None of the cakes look like they have any mold on them, they are all pure white.

It doesn't look like this tub has a ton of air flow. It only came with 3 tiny phillips head holes in the side. Humidity is is around 95% from what the meter is saying.

Can anyone tell me if this is normal? First time working with PF Tek.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #27989845 - 10/09/22 09:56 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Post some pictures. One persons pure white is another’s  off white. Smelling strongly of a gym locker room isn’t something I get from my happy tubs.
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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: The Tao]
    #27989904 - 10/09/22 10:31 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

There is some left over verm, so not 100% white.


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27989944 - 10/09/22 10:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

they dont necessarily look bad, hungry for air maybe.  i would A cut the foil so its not wider than the cake, B crack or flip the lid to give it some more air, and C ignore that humidity meter and use your eye ballz. the myc should have microdroplets on it and the perlite should be shiny


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: bakedbeings] * 1
    #27989965 - 10/09/22 11:01 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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they dont necessarily look bad, hungry for air maybe.  i would A cut the foil so its not wider than the cake, B crack or flip the lid to give it some more air, and C ignore that humidity meter and use your eye ballz. the myc should have microdroplets on it and the perlite should be shiny




Will do. Thanks for the check up!

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27996071 - 10/12/22 08:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

We have babies popping up finally! Still smells like a gym locker room in there though.

I cut down the foil, moved them closer together, have been misting to make sure they don't dry out since I live in the desert, and cracked the lid a bit.

I noticed pins on 5 of the 7 cakes when I checked it for misting an hour ago.

Edit: For the next PF Tek, I'm going to study up on the water tubs you all have linked me :smile:

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #27996080 - 10/12/22 09:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like nat myc. Let's see them pins! :cheers:


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: cozmyc] * 2
    #27996100 - 10/12/22 09:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks like nat myc. Let's see them pins! :cheers:




Baby Pics! I'm super excited because I need to get spore sprints on several of these.


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #27996111 - 10/12/22 09:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Nice to see you have some pins coming in. Being new, and yet to start my own journey, I like seeing when other noobs have some success.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: ManBearPig81]
    #27996120 - 10/12/22 09:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Nice to see you have some pins coming in. Being new, and yet to start my own journey, I like seeing when other noobs have some success.




Well thank you :smile: Have you gone through all the stickies here yet? I did a shotgun approach and started multiple teks at the same time, trying to beat the odds. But PF Tek has so far been the easiest, by a mile.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: ManBearPig81]
    #27996123 - 10/12/22 09:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

- Remove foil. No need for foil when you have a lid.

You could raise the cakes on a cooking grill and replace perlite with an inch of water. See Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes. With a water tub there is no need for misting or any kind of maintenance.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: fungusul]
    #27996124 - 10/12/22 09:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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- Remove foil. No need for foil when you have a lid.

You could raise the cakes on a cooking grill and replace perlite with an inch of water. See Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes. With a water tub there is no need for misting or any kind of maintenance.




I have the foil on there for identification purposes. There are several strains running in the same tub. You can't see it, but there are names and dates under the lids on the foil.

Yeah, I'm planning to run a water tub on the next batch (I have 8 more BFR Jars colonizing right now. While I know I'm running up hill with the perlite, I'm going to stick with it for just this tub, mostly as a learning exercise.

Thank you for the advice though! I'm currently reading through the water tub tek and it seems like its a ton easier.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #27996131 - 10/12/22 09:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

You could use the lids to add water at the bottom of the cakes. Remove any standing water that is not absorbed after a couple of hours.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: fungusul]
    #27996134 - 10/12/22 09:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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You could use the lids to add water at the bottom of the cakes. Remove any standing water that is not absorbed after a couple of hours.




Interesting! But... these lids have holes :undecided:

Unless there is something else I'm not understanding... Maybe cup the foil too to keep the water in for a couple of hours and dump both the lid and the foil?

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #27996139 - 10/12/22 10:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I've assumed that lids have no holes. You could cover the lids in foil to hold the water.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: fungusul]
    #27996145 - 10/12/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I've assumed that lids have no holes. You could cover the lids in foil to hold the water.




Ok, will do tomorrow! Thank you!

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28000076 - 10/15/22 09:03 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so update question: I started making the foil "boats" to soak into the BFR cakes. More pins started popping and even one went to full fruiting (though it's pretty tiny). But, I have noticed that I'm only getting pins on the bottom of the cakes.

I've seen tons of pics here that show pins further up on the cakes. The cakes seem pretty hydrated now. (maybe even a little too... I drained all the water yesterday, and then found more water in them this morning and dumped them out again)


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28000152 - 10/15/22 10:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

its pretty common for cakes to fruit at the bottom. doesnt look like you did a very good job of coating your cake in verm, that would have helped


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28000175 - 10/15/22 10:29 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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its pretty common for cakes to fruit at the bottom. doesnt look like you did a very good job of coating your cake in verm, that would have helped




Yeah, as we have discussed numerous times, this was unfortunately a kit. Their instructions did not include adding verm. I assume it's way too late now?

Next go around with the other jars I have colonizing, I'm using the PF Tek guide from here, and a water tub.

Good to go on the pins. Do you think they will ever pin up top? Mostly I'm just wanting to make spore prints on these for later use.

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    #28000280 - 10/15/22 11:53 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

nah its not to late whenever you want you can pick those clean, soak them, and roll them. i sometimes scoop a pile of wet verm on top, you could do that right now if you want

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28000377 - 10/15/22 01:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Looks a little bacterial but still pretty decent.

Looks like you are bottom-watering with the lid underneath the cake there?


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28000786 - 10/15/22 06:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Looks a little bacterial but still pretty decent.

Looks like you are bottom-watering with the lid underneath the cake there?




Fungusul recommended moving them to a water chamber, but I wanted to finish this batch with the perlite, just to see how it does. I was previously misting them from 3 ft above. After I made the little boats for the cakes, things really started popping.....

but the fruits are super small so far, and breaking their veils when they are like 4 in or less. I have one right now that just broke its veil and its only about an inch, and the head is like 4 mm across.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28003931 - 10/17/22 09:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, so I'm producing some weird looking mushrooms in the PF Tek chamber with the perlite. Also... the caps are wet and kind of slimy to the touch. I think I remember other posts discussing wet slimy caps as a kind of slime mold?



This specific pic is from a Mckenzii (sp?), but I also pulled off a Creeper that looked almost identical.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28009326 - 10/21/22 01:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, so I have a few questions on the PF Tek w/ perlite FC I have running right now. I'm setting up a water FC for my next batch of BFR jars that are almost ready, but I'm having issues / disappointment with the current PF Tek FC.

Out of 7.5 cakes, 3.5 (one split in half) are not really doing a whole lot. I see some pins on those 3, but they don't seem to be going anywhere, but are not aborts yet.

I'm having issues keeping the cakes moist. Since I cracked the lid, 4 of them started fruiting, but they are universally not that big. Each of these 4 has only produced maybe 2 fruits, and they look weird. Some of the bigger ones are showing cracks in their stims that you can see through, just under the caps and just before the veil starts showing up.

The perlite (as far as I can tell from noob eyes) is shiny. There is water, it's not a swamp (as far as I can tell). But the cakes start looking dried out if I don't mist them at least 2x a day (I live in the desert with an ambient rH of 45% in my grow tent), but I swear I remember reading here I should not be misting once pins start forming (right?).

I'm working on a spore print from the only (albeit smallish) mushroom that looked normal (McKennai) but I was hoping to get prints off the PFC and Creepers too.

Any help is appreciated and thank you!

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28009410 - 10/21/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, the water tub will help you keep moisture better, especially in your climate. It is safe to spray cakes that are fruiting, you just don't want to soak the fruits too much. You can set them in a lid and bottom water them if they need it. Try rolling in coir next time as well :mushroom2:


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    #28009429 - 10/21/22 02:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks! Next time I'm not going to go with perlite, it doesn't seem to be working well in this climate. I've been hesitating to bottom water anymore, cause all the pins and fruits seem to be coming from the bottom of the cakes.

Just waiting on my verm to arrive today, cause the water tub cakes will get a verm coating when they are ready to go.

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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: echochild]
    #28010154 - 10/22/22 01:06 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

If u live in the desert, misting 2 times a day isnt gonna be enough. Youre gonna have to soak your perlite and mist multiple times a day. I feel like the major downside to the SGFC is arrid environments. I find extra perlite helps too, like half the FC is filled with perlite.

The other thing that can help is to tape up some of the holes (like 25% or so), either with tape or micropore tape. Restricting some FAE will increase humidity.

Imagine trying to keep a tree frog alive in a desert. Its tough but it can be done with lots of water supply.


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Re: BFR cakes in fruiting chamber, chamber smells like a gym locker room. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28010353 - 10/22/22 08:09 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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If u live in the desert, misting 2 times a day isnt gonna be enough. Youre gonna have to soak your perlite and mist multiple times a day. I feel like the major downside to the SGFC is arrid environments. I find extra perlite helps too, like half the FC is filled with perlite.

Funny enough, the FC is not SGFC style. It has only 5 little 2-3mm holes in the whole thing, and there all near the lid (this is a FC from a premade kit). So, there is barely any FAE without cracking the lid a little. When stuff was kind of stalling out, Baked recommended I crack the lid for FAE.

The perlite is shiny. I haven't seen any measurable loss of water in the perlite when I check it from the side. But the cakes just dry out anyways. I'll go to seeing if misting 3 or 4x per day helps.


The other thing that can help is to tape up some of the holes (like 25% or so), either with tape or micropore tape. Restricting some FAE will increase humidity.

I think, next time with this specific tub, I may need to add FAE, then restrict it as needed. My one of my other monotubs only has six 1.5 inch holes, and it keeps humidity like a champ. This PF Tek chamber just dries out super fast.

Imagine trying to keep a tree frog alive in a desert. Its tough but it can be done with lots of water supply.

Yeah these cakes are water hungry... I'm starting to think, based on what's happening in another tub, is that they are starting to look bruised not from over watering, but drying out too much, then having to be rehydrated left and right.

Hopefully a water tub will work better in the future though.






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