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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: labbar]
    #27984796 - 10/06/22 02:42 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I wish someone did a miraculix on the dried version of subtrops w/ a fresh comparison


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27984806 - 10/06/22 02:50 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You can only test dried.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Guerrilla] * 2
    #27984812 - 10/06/22 02:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

OKay then i would do it against a random cube, to see if it seemed average or whatever. Reports in this thread as well as my own experience tends towards fresh = batshit and dried less so.

Its kinda sad and beautiful at the same time if it turns out its a psilocin crazy, but a psilocybin average.

given that, this species really comments on time and timing as a phenomen - meaning derived from art, the art of subtropica


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27984885 - 10/06/22 03:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Even most of the Psilocin can be preserved with proper drying. You will always lose something, but that's part of the game.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] * 4
    #27984890 - 10/06/22 03:47 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)



All 3 of my bottles are pinning. Think it's time to prep some more, got a pint of colonized millet waiting in the fridge.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27984891 - 10/06/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

More loss with the smaller fruits, probably less true with the big stems larger fruits. The tissue of the fruits is what keeps the psilocin guarded vs air, smaller fruits have more surface area divided on their weight, and thus should lose more psilocin

But you are right to point out that amounts of psilocin is preserved through drying,

its something ive developed from "all psilocin gets dried out" to "probably only most of the surface psilcin"

Based on shit like this:

https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/preliminary-tryptamine-potency-analysis-from-dried-homogenized-fruit-bodies-of-psilocybe-mushrooms

Psilocin survives drying, and significant amounts where they are significantly present to begin with.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27984901 - 10/06/22 03:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I'm not even convinced it has to do with surface area. At all times, all of the psilocin is exposed to oxygen. The issue is, while the fungus is drying (especially at higher temps), the core of the mushroom stays wet for quite a long time, while getting hot as well. Wet + hot + oxygen is a recipe for degradation.

This might be a bit controversial because everyone commonly recommends the high heat setting to dry them out ASAP, but it depends on how thick the stems are. For beefier mushrooms, low-heat drying could be much better. After they are cracker, sure blast them with 70°C for that final 30 mins or so, at that point it can't hurt.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27984906 - 10/06/22 04:00 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Well my only retort to that would be that the mushroom structure guards psilocin vs oxygen, not vs water. You say that heat + water is highly reactive, but extend that to the tea people are making from fresh fruit bodies, or the handling of them in itself. Not reactive to water.
Its the air every time.
While moisture is present inside the fruitbody to begin with.

My view of it is that perfect shielding from intact dried cells keeps some psilocin out of contact with air (interior) while the ones closer to the surface will be oxidized.

It is why I tell people who grind fruits to powder, to only do this before use. After grinding, the surface area in contact with potential air, greatly increases.


Great conversation!


I guess one way to test would be to heat a fresh fruit from a clone culture, and to compare the dried psilocin content with this, from a normally dried fruit from the same culture.

Preferably something mildly high in psilocin


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27984918 - 10/06/22 04:10 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

"At all times, all of the psilocin is exposed to oxygen"

This i dont understand, and invite others to comment

How are psilocin inside a fruit body at all times exposed to oxidation


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 2
    #27985414 - 10/06/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I think the fact that mushrooms are 90%+ water, water being H2O means there's some oxygen distributed throughout the mushroom everywhere there's water...which is basically everywhere, including where the actives are.

I dry regular cubes at the highest temp, but for albinos and exotics turn it down to 125f or so. I found the caps of the albinos were getting darker at 165f once dried, and smaller exotic species have less mass and overall water weight to lose. I'm not sure exactly where I stand on the potency side of the equation, but at some point it would be possible high heat could degrade some actives. I know the argument that tea works means actives survive higher temps carries weigh for sure, but idk. Then there's the oxygen in water side of the equation too...

My semp tub is colonizing well so far, and I'm excited about that.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: hummingbird] * 1
    #27985557 - 10/06/22 09:24 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Also the whole dephosphorylation of psilocybin into psilocin and the polymerization of that when damage occurs with the bluing reaction is interesting. I don't fully understand what that all means for potency, but implies damaging fresh mushrooms before eating them may give you more psilocin vs psilocybin...or that you could lose potency damaging them before drying them because psilocin is more volatile and damaged easier than psilocybin during that process.

I'm not the biggest fan of eating fresh personally. I've found it only really increases body load and stomach discomfort, while only noticing little if any increase in potency the couple times I've gone that route. I will note that I'm not very experienced with fresh, and only with cubes so far. I know some people are definitely fans of fresh though, and exotic species may be quite different than cubes are.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: hummingbird] * 2
    #27985730 - 10/07/22 12:58 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

There's been a very interesting debate about this (including links to scientific papers, not just folks talking out their ass) on the "Experimenting with mushroom cultivation" FB group. Very few of you probably use FB anymore, but whatever. :lol:

Basically it says that the fungi contain an enzyme that builds psilocybin from psilocin. This enzyme remains active even as the mushrooms have been picked and are drying. But with high heat the enzyme deactivates and can't do its job anymore, so you're losing potency quicker. So it's recommended to dry at no higher than 40°C until cracker dry.

I'll have to personally run some experiments with this though. It's also possible that a lot of the time the difference will be imperceptible. :shrug:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] * 5
    #27986023 - 10/07/22 08:33 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I just eat a few more if they're not strong enough...

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
    #27986061 - 10/07/22 09:02 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

So much simpler, we get what we get :shrug: I’m with ya Nichrome in the eat-more-if-you-have-to gang


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: hummingbird] * 6
    #27986093 - 10/07/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I took a small fresh 7g subtrop fruit yesterday, it was very bitter, but I chewed it thoroughly and added a small pin without weighting. Man, it packs a punch. Actually, all I wanted was to have a slight effect.

In maybe 5-10 minutes I felt like moving inside jelly and I started feeling very anxious, anticipating what was coming in an hour. It's just that I wasn't ready for a full trip, especially a strong one. I needed to sort a lot of shit and get ready, set some setting, you know.
So I quickly found some fresh pan cyan dosing tips to get any idea of a lower fresh dose and how far I was from it, considering subs are stronger than pans in a way, and got scared when I saw people talking about total meltdown from 8g fresh pans. It was hard to read and concentrate on search. I considered throwing up, and it was already not an easy task. I hurt my throat and I don't feel too well today, but I'm glad I did it, because even after that I was crushed.
  I wrestled with million eyes visions and aberrations all over the place and my 6-7 fingered hands scared me, as I had to embrace the adrenalin from the initial spook. I watched some stupid cartoons in my head with closed eyes, but I couldn't enjoy them yet, as only half an hour passed and I was crazy anxious not knowing how hard would it hit me in half an hour more and if throwing up did any help. When an hour from consuming passed, I felt some relief and decided to draw a little and check on my guests whom I had to leave, I even managed to turn on a random Aphex Twin album, I felt pretty virtuous, you know that power in mushrooms that helps to shatter many stupid patterns and habits and see the right way. But somehow it quickly dissipated, I felt totally drained and lonely, and went to an empty dark room to ponder on dark thoughts and feelings, feeling lost in a tangled maze of bitterness, got myself in thought loops which I couldn't break. I was secretly waiting that my lovely lass would think of me and come, which she did in a while (I didn't want to bother her nats trip, as she couldn't speak anyway), so she layed me in bedroom and I had a chance to speak myself out a little, it didn't help a lot, as I still felt broken and I was "away" in a schizophrenic way, but after some bed lying I was ok to go in common room and listen to music and chat. I took shroom at 16:00. Visuals ceased* at about the moment I decided to be alone. Body and headspace kept till night, at 23:00 it was still present. Today my head feels like if it was a giant bell that was vigorously rang and body feels as one of scarecrow, like a sack of hay lol. And yes, I took it on empty stomach.

I don't know if I should share this, it's not easy, and I don't find it exciting, but it might be useful to community to understand dosing and stuff. I must say I'm very susceptible to entheogenic drugs, so I usually go on lower doses, and I usually have a happy experience, so my story is not here to fright, but to tell about the power.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri] * 3
    #27986499 - 10/07/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

How do you guys rate my photoshoot of today? Didn't want to crosspost.

Also, do you have any advice? I feel like a lot of them are aborts. Mostly the tiny ones. I feel like after such a long time I should be getting higher fruiting mass. For reference, the container is half a liter AT MOST.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27986510 - 10/07/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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How do you guys rate my photoshoot of today? Didn't want to crosspost.

Also, do you have any advice? I feel like a lot of them are aborts. Mostly the tiny ones. I feel like after such a long time I should be getting higher fruiting mass. For reference, the container is half a liter AT MOST.

Thanks!



Don't think any are aborts. I've had a lot of fruit that bruise heavily and just keep on going.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: SirPsycho]
    #27986515 - 10/07/22 02:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Alright thanks! It might be my mind's tricks as I'm quite badly ill these days, but I feel like the smol ones haven't grown at all.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27986526 - 10/07/22 02:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah those should keep going.  No aborts.:teabird:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome] * 2
    #27986539 - 10/07/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Normal. The caps turn blue when you look at them too much.
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