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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2799905 - 06/16/04 06:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



Where in the US Constitution does it say that the executive branch has the authority to be a global police force? Who asked for a US invasion?

In this particular case the legislative branch authorized the use of force in Iraq at the discretion of the President. It was passed overwhelmingly and supported by, guess who, Kerry, D. Mass.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2799926 - 06/16/04 06:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

who'd have though Bush would have gone and fucked it up so bad....


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: afoaf]
    #2799938 - 06/16/04 07:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think that's disingenuous crap. The results have actually been better than any reasonable person could have expected. Action carries a price. Inaction carries a greater price.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2799944 - 06/16/04 07:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

disengenuous, no.

but I like using that word sometimes too.

the end results have yet to be seen.

remember, we were supposed to be greeted with
cheering iraqis in the streets, not improvised explosive
devices, kidnappings and murders.

what are these 'better than expected results' that
you speak of?

I mean, really?

what were you expecting and how is our current state
better than those expectations?


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: afoaf]
    #2799965 - 06/16/04 07:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

10 times the casualties and a five year time period before we could leave. You're right, the end results have yet to be seen. But there have been some cheering Iraqis and there have been some bomb toting lunatics. Not a surprise in either direction actually. I just resent the tone that this has been an unrelenting disaster. It is simply not the case.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2799975 - 06/16/04 07:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

not a disaster on the scale of some of our past
failings, but things surely aren't going as well as
they were supposed to go.

plus, just because we hand off on the 30th, doesn't
mean we're out of iraq.

I'd be surprised if we're completely out after 5 years.

very, very surprised.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: afoaf]
    #2799998 - 06/16/04 07:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, once again we go back to reasonable expectations. I know handing over on the 30th doesn't mean we're OUT out. Shit we're still not OUT of Japan or Korea or Germany. But being able to grant some significant sovereignty after less than 18 months is pretty good, I think.
We will be able to get out of Saudi Arabia though, since we were only there to counter Saddam's monopolistic threat, and that's a good thing. Let the fucking sheiks be hung by their own people. Then the revolutionaries will sell us the oil.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2800010 - 06/16/04 07:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

9/11 finding:

'In fact, nowhere does the Commission make the claim that Iraq and al-Qaida never cooperated. What it does say is "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."'


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NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2800024 - 06/16/04 07:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

hopefully we get out of SA before johnson's head rolls...


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: CJay]
    #2800034 - 06/16/04 07:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

CJay said:
9/11 findimg:

'In fact, nowhere does the Commission make the claim that Iraq and al-Qaida never cooperated. What it does say is "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."'


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NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE




I think you stopped reading before the preposition in the quoted sentance.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2800038 - 06/16/04 07:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

  :zoom:


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: afoaf]
    #2800042 - 06/16/04 07:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

unfortunately, not likely, and it won't be for that reason.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: d33p]
    #2800046 - 06/16/04 07:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

'In fact, nowhere does the Commission make the claim that Iraq and al-Qaida never cooperated.'
- so it says they co-operated.....wait, i feel a contradiction coming on:
-:next sentance:-
'What it does say is "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."'

NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE

C-JAY ->> :lol:




:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: CJay]
    #2800060 - 06/16/04 07:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am guessing you have no grasp of grammar.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: CJay]
    #2800063 - 06/16/04 07:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Which is not the same thing as saying they never cooperated, is it?


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: d33p]
    #2800065 - 06/16/04 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
I am guessing you have no grasp of grammar.



That's quite apparent.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2800387 - 06/16/04 09:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

In this particular case the legislative branch authorized the use of force in Iraq at the discretion of the President. It was passed overwhelmingly and supported by, guess who, Kerry, D. Mass.




yes, but under false & casual intelligence.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2800393 - 06/16/04 10:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Bio, your avatar is fucking me up. I always think it's LDS when I read your post. I saw the nipple out of the corner of my eye and then read the post. I thought "That's an anti-Bush post by LDS. What's going on?"




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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2800417 - 06/16/04 10:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You mean, you'd be lucky to be luvdemshrooms.

While you can dream, it can never be.

But, don't cry little one, dry your eyes.


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Re: why did we invade iraq, again? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2800958 - 06/17/04 01:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I know you've made "anti-Bush" posts. I'm sure very few people like everything Bush does.

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