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Need Help from Experienced Voyagers
    #27964182 - 09/23/22 11:33 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

My two trips with penis envy shrooms (3.5g) felt as if there was a crack between worlds, and a torrent of visions streamed into my being that almost overwhelmed me. Or as if I was holding a live high-energy wire and the charge streamed through me in wave after wave of visionary beauty and intensity. I couldn't move; instead, I lay in my bed, shaken to my foundations by the 3 dimensional stream of visionary forms. When I opened my eyes, it felt like the entire world was melting. My hands were shaking because the charge was so powerful, and my only fear was of having a stroke! There was nothing psychological about it--no reviewing of my life and no insights: just a 3 hour inundation of vision. Wow. I was simultaneously elated and exhausted, as I felt deeply fatigued but also hyper-stimulated. Coming down from the peak was glorious, as the world was filled with streams of patterned energy. OK. Obviously I am sensitive and the shrooms were strong. But has anyone else had a trip like this? In the aftermath, I hae felt more connected, more open, more mindful. But the experience itself was rough and strange and alien. Thanks for any insights.


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: buddhaboy]
    #27970642 - 09/27/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That kind of "3 dimensional stream of visionary forms" is what I usually get in my CEV on higher doses. I see glowing, moving forms against a black backdrop, with a definite sense of looking into a "strange and alien" space.

This kind of trip can feel quite physical, too. I find these sort of CEV will often have that sense of "drawing me in," as if I need to fall into the trip, or fall asleep into it. When a trip becomes overwhelming and people talk about "surrendering to the trip," this is the element of the trip which I am surrendering to, something that feels very "other."

:sunstone:

I think some of the character of your trip comes from a rapid onset on potent shrooms, where the trip ramps up very quickly to a high intensity. As a contrast to this, personally I quite like doing "staged ascent" dosing, where I take a moderate dose, wait until the trip kicks in and starts to plateau a little bit (usually 60 to 90 mins after dosing when I trip on sclerotia), then redose with the same amount.

For example a 4g trip on the mushrooms you took could be split into two 2g doses - the initial onset would be less intense, the trip would still be strong once you redose, but the character of it might be slightly different and the overall length of the trip would be a bit longer. I like doing this for high doses because the initial phase is much more relaxed and I get to orient myself in the headspace before the trip starts to get really intense.

Anyway, sounds like a good experience on some potent shrooms :thumbup:

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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: Aldebaran]
    #27973620 - 09/29/22 09:00 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you for your thoughtful and helpful reply. My experience is a function of my sensitivity to psychotropic substances and the strength of the penis envy shrooms. I will experiment with staged dosing, as you suggest. I wish I had the ability to "dial in" a more precise psychedelic alteration, but I guess that's part of the fun--waiting to see how the mushroom gods will bless.


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: Aldebaran]
    #27973623 - 09/29/22 09:03 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

PS Could you define "CEV"?  Thank you.


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: buddhaboy]
    #27973724 - 09/29/22 10:11 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Closed Eye Visuals, as opposed to OEV, Open Eye Visuals


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: Neurotech]
    #27974533 - 09/29/22 08:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you.


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: Aldebaran]
    #27976045 - 10/01/22 12:26 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Aldebaran said:
. As a contrast to this, personally I quite like doing "staged ascent" dosing, where I take a moderate dose, wait until the trip kicks in and starts to plateau a little bit (usually 60 to 90 mins after dosing when I trip on sclerotia), then redose with the same amount.

For example a 4g trip on the mushrooms you took could be split into two 2g doses - the initial onset would be less intense, the trip would still be strong once you redose, but the character of it might be slightly different and the overall length of the trip would be a bit longer. I like doing this for high doses because the initial phase is much more relaxed and I get to orient myself in the headspace before the trip starts to get really intense.

Anyway, sounds like a good experience on some potent shrooms :thumbup:

:feelsshroomyman:




how do you experience the comeup of 2nd dose when you are already at plateau from 2g? is it less intense than 4g starting from 0?


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    #27977556 - 10/02/22 06:49 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

anything you report is psychological, so please do not say that the effects were not psychological.
writing involves your entire personality
thinking is totally psychological
experiencing is the essence of psychology and your presence in the ocean of body sensations
anyway
all of what you encountered is to be expected with a strong dose because
psychological frames of experience layer or stack up and fade more slowly than in ordinary waking consciousness: the frames overlap and seem to go in opposite directions at the same time - the sense of time passing is disrupted. (both increased depth and flattening are common)

Yes - it is a physical experience - but as an experience it is directly transduced to psychological triggers and associations - and that lets you describe what happened to you.


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27981438 - 10/04/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

By "not psychological," I meant that the experience was not grounded in my life narratives, traumas or histories. Obviously the experience was channeled "in" or "through or "out of" my mind, and therefore must be technically considered "psychological." But the totality of experience was based on an almost crushing "visual" intensity accompanied by the physical sensation of being weighted down and unable to move easily. I spent most it in my bed, in a darkened room, listening to music and watching the visual show, which would take me through tunnels of ever-changing patterns that were stunningly beautiful and detailed. But it was not altogether pleasant because "I" felt so overwhelmed and weighted down by the power of it. I could think in words and had a sense of self, so there was no ego death. But the voice in my mind was much smaller than the fully immersive waves of patterned energy that occupied my being.


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Re: Need Help from Experienced Voyagers [Re: darkcreature] * 1
    #27983087 - 10/05/22 04:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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darkcreature wrote: how do you experience the comeup of 2nd dose when you are already at plateau from 2g? is it less intense than 4g starting from 0?




Yes, if you eat 2g and then redose with another 2g, the comeup and peak should be a bit less intense than if you ate 4g all at once. The main reason I redose is to make this initial comeup stage less intense on higher doses (I wouldn't bother doing it unless the initial dose was enough by itself to get a medium-strength trip going with some nice closed-eye visuals).

Also, some of my single-dose trips used to start off uncomfortably strong and then tail off quickly after the peak, and re-dosing helps keep the trip going on longer. I usually trip on commercially grown sclerotia and another reason for splitting the dose is that the potency can vary quite a lot, and I like to get an idea of the potency before committing to a 45g dose (which would be a lot to try and eat in one go even if I wanted to).

When the second dose hits you can feel the trip gradually getting stronger and shifting gears into a different type of experience. It will still result in a strong trip (on a high dose it can feel like the trip is being depth-charged or bombed by a squadron of B52s when the redose hits) but it will be less abrupt than taking the lot in one go. It works as long as you don't leave it too long before redosing - I normally do it between 60-90 mins after the first dose, once the initial effects settle down and I feel comfortable. If you redose later in the trip you get diminishing returns due to tolerance building up.

It's really just personal preference, e.g. some people like trying lemon tek to get everything hitting harder at the beginning - I prefer a trip which starts out fairly relaxed and then gradually gets stronger and weirder.


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