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OfflineTheUsualSuspect
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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27979699 - 10/03/22 03:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

oats and hoes yo

put pc with water on stove, turn on stove top to high

open bag on counter, scoop a level measure of oats using custom made scoop that gets me +- close on the dry oats weight, pour hot water into high accuracy measuring cup and then into the grain bag

fill 9 other bags same way

fold bag tops, load pressure cooker and run it 2 hours after it gets to temp

very fast, very easy, one level scoop one pour at a sharpie marked level of water. I get the bags filled and loaded before the water starts to boil in the pc.

i cant see how bag prep gets easier or quicker

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #27979701 - 10/03/22 03:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TheUsualSuspect said:
i cant see how bag prep gets easier or quicker




soak > strain > scoop

lmao

If you tried it you'd see :wink:

Even just reading your post I was like

:hank:
:ewaahh:


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OfflineTheUsualSuspect
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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979706 - 10/03/22 03:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It literally cant be. I pour the grain into the bag, i dump water in the bag. I put bag into pc. It CANT get easier or quicker. There is no step that can be made to take less time or effort. I prep 10 bags from start to finish before water can boil.

Edited by TheUsualSuspect (10/03/22 03:26 PM)

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 1
    #27979710 - 10/03/22 03:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

team soak

lets just agree to disagree


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27979712 - 10/03/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TheUsualSuspect said:
It literally cant be. I pour the grain into the bag, i dump water in the bag. I put bag into pc. It CANT get easier or quicker. There is no step that can be made to take less time or effort. I prep 10 bags from start to finish before water can boil.




Ok friend

:borat:

Quote:

Bakedbeings said:
team soak

lets just agree to disagree





:whathesaid:


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27979722 - 10/03/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Bakedbeings said:
team soak

lets just agree to disagree





I'm trying to see where you two think there is a time savings between the two methods. I dont see it. You guys think there is one. This is not about 'right vs wrong' its about education. You two surely have more exp than me. What am I missing. 

I look at it like in the soak method you will have to let the grains screen to remove excess water and deal with cleaning a screen, scoop tool and the bucket in addition to starting your process the night before. The comparison I guess is the measure of the water where I pour water into a measuring cup to a sharpie marked line and then dump into the bag. Even if we were prepping say a 5 gallon bucket of grain, I have no doubt my process is faster.

What part am I not seeing?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #27979727 - 10/03/22 03:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Read my posts in page 1

Fuck a screen, polyester brew bags are where it's at :thumbup:


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979744 - 10/03/22 03:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

ok so soaking and screening and then measuring and then pouring... is faster than scooping a substance to a level scoop and pouring


that 'agree to disagree' thing you mentioned - lets do that

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #27979747 - 10/03/22 03:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Edit:

Ok.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979750 - 10/03/22 03:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i love oats.
they want to be rinsed and cooked till they are properly hydrated (takes between 30 and 40 mins for me)
when are they properly hydrated?
when the grain becomes almost transparent down to the core (chop em open to check) but the hull is still on and intact, maybe a few grains have popped out of their skin, but  dont overcook them.

and then you let them dry (on the outside) overnight.and i mean really dry!

load them in jars and pc between 2 and 3 1/2 hours or more, depending on psi.
but most importantly, and thats where i have failed in the very beginning, VENT YOUR PC properly!

you want a constant stream of steam coming from it before putting the weight on.

THATS IT

from now on, always perfect oats .

Oats...


OOAAATTTSSSSS ...... LOVE EM

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: chris77]
    #27979915 - 10/03/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Dealing with wet millet is a pain in the bung hole.  I am working at small scale going through thousands of grams of grain a week (two thousands):tongue


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 1
    #27979984 - 10/03/22 06:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TheUsualSuspect said:
ok so soaking and screening and then measuring and then pouring... is faster than scooping a substance to a level scoop and pouring


that 'agree to disagree' thing you mentioned - lets do that



not interested in winning this debate, just saying that soaking is less work from my perspective

i throw a bag of grain in a bucket
i cover it in water
i strain it
i load my jars

it takes longer from start to finish but it takes less of my time and i dont have to measure a single thing

we can all agree either of these methods is infinitely better than the old school prep. rinse, soak, boil, strain, rinse, dry, kill yourself


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27980001 - 10/03/22 06:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It it about time to say:

:whocares:

?


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27980355 - 10/03/22 09:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Rusty2096 said:
It it about time to say:

:whocares:

?




I (was) trying to learn something but baked and guerrilla took it like i was challenging their post count manhood or something. I was not trying to argue or win an argument. What do I get if I win an argument? Nothing. What do I get if I 'prove them both completely wrong'? Again nothing.

I study efficiency and time management. I directly asked them to educate me. Neither was interested. Its fine. I have given up on this string and they are free to think of me whatever they want, I dont care.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 1
    #27980410 - 10/03/22 10:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Are y’all really still arguing about whether soaking or no prep millet is better??

Standard prep wheat allllllll day!


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27980416 - 10/03/22 10:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Why prep grains when you can inject spores into a bag of pre cooked rice?

:chump:

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 1
    #27980418 - 10/03/22 10:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I don’t want to speak for anyone but it’s really not like that.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
    #27980725 - 10/04/22 06:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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baked and guerrilla took it like i was challenging their post count manhood or something.




bro wat :freewilly: its not like that at all

i think we did a decent job of explaining, and repeating, why we prefer what we prefer. i even stated twice that i appreciate why you would do it your way, its just a matter of preference

another reason that i forgot to add is that i like soak water for agar and LC, and as yet ive only discovered one way to make it


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27980889 - 10/04/22 09:18 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'm hobby level and do wheat. Simmer, strain/dry, jar, PC.

I do own a brew bag and the soak method is interesting. Do you dry the outside of the grain on a screen before jarring?

I've found that properly hydrated wheat that is then dried on the outside gives me better spawn. No wet spots in the jar that will never colonize, or grow bacteria.

Efficiency is great, but all I do is small batches of 8 myco quarts once, every other week or so. 

I think this is a good thread/string. Keep it going!


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #27984054 - 10/06/22 05:36 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Kind of off topic, but, planning on prepping some quart jars this weekend, read some threads on use of poly fill, Tyvek, and microporous tape over the hole.

One thread showed some tests that suggested 2 layers of microporous tape provided a better barrier than poly fill.

Is this still the consensus? Or is 1 layer of tape adequate?

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