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Grain Jar Tek advice
    #27978207 - 10/02/22 03:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I was looking to get some grain jars ready for a bulk grow, I have only found 1 tek I am thinking of using, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24126032 , anyone come across something better than this one?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978221 - 10/02/22 03:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Rye, WBS, oats, wheat, etc..

It all comes down to personal preference but mostly I assume what is easily available and cheap where you live


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978224 - 10/02/22 03:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

That one works well, but if your oats are as dusty and dirty as mine, you’ll have to rinse them thoroughly before hydrating them.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978247 - 10/02/22 04:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Rusty's right.

What can you find locally for a reasonable price?
To begin with you might not want to buy a huge 50lb bag of something. You can buy grains in bulk section of grocery store or you can find birdfood in 5 to 20lb bags. Bird food varies a lot! millet, milo, sunflow seeds, corn, etc. So even that takes some research.

Each grain has a specific prep tek for hydration.

Just starting out the grain you pick doesn't matter much. They all grow fruit. If you do everything right. :goodluck:


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27978255 - 10/02/22 04:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It all comes down to what is easily available and cheap where you live



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from what i can tell im the only one here who uses straight alpiste


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978257 - 10/02/22 04:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

One thing I didn't know when I first moved up to doing grain was spore syringes are not the best option.  It doesn't make sense they work fine for cakes why no grain and sometimes they do but I learned quick everyone on here told me it wasn't a great idea but I wanted to try I got a couple successful grows doing spores to grain but I also got alot of contaminated jars and I could always tell it was the syringe because it was always all the jars from a particular syringe that would be contaminated.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: croyleje]
    #27978276 - 10/02/22 04:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It would take a very compelling reason for me to switch from millet.  Crack's no prep is just so easy.  Although I think I'll try out P9's low prep method soon. But, still millet.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: schpat]
    #27979226 - 10/03/22 09:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the info. I live near a Tractor Supply Company, and there are lots of livestock nearby, so the oats was a no brainer for me in terms of availability, and cost ($25 ish for 50#).

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27979236 - 10/03/22 09:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

$25 for 5 lbs?? Damn that’s crazy expensive. I mean starting out, sure go for it, but if you live near a lot of livestock you should be able to find 50 lb bags for that price


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27979244 - 10/03/22 09:37 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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$25 for 5 lbs?? Damn that’s crazy expensive. I mean starting out, sure go for it, but if you live near a lot of livestock you should be able to find 50 lb bags for that price




Yeah thats what I meant :laugh:, fixed the post above, good catch!

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27979246 - 10/03/22 09:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh yes haha makes sense now! Good luck to ya


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: schpat]
    #27979291 - 10/03/22 10:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It would take a very compelling reason for me to switch from millet.  Crack's no prep is just so easy.  Although I think I'll try out P9's low prep method soon. But, still millet.




P9s method is actually less work and is far better. Properly hydrated (meaning higher BE) and less bacterial issues. I constantly see people complaining about bacteria with cracks method.

Say I have 12 bags.

I have to measure out the water and grain for every single one of those bags with cracks method.

With p9s method, soak in advance > quickly strain with a brew bag > scoop into bags.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979318 - 10/03/22 10:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I use WBS from Walmart.  I get 40lb bags for $23.

The price is good which makes it hard to find sometimes.  There are 20lb bags as well.  Slightly less economy, but still a decent price.

I do a quick rinse, then into a pot on the stove.  Bring to a boil best I can. Larger volumes sometimes don't come to as strong of a boil. 

I have tested removing the sunflower and leaving it in.  It is a "how much time do I have" question.

If keeping sunflower reduce to a simmer when it hits the boil and push the sunflower down until it (and the sesame seeds) mostly stop floating. 

Pull off floaters, drain, let sit and occasionally stir to let out steam.  (About 30-60ml minutes)  toss in jars and PC.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant] * 1
    #27979465 - 10/03/22 12:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Oats are a poor choice for an inexperienced person to try first. Your first grain jars should be made with the highest quality grains, Wheat, Millet, or Rye. The slightly higher price is worth it.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979478 - 10/03/22 12:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Less work than cup of millet and half cup of water straight into PC? Idk bout dat. At the very least it takes basically zero time compared to soaking.

Edited by Screwup (10/03/22 12:31 PM)

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Screwup]
    #27979480 - 10/03/22 12:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

When I was writing it originally I added "particularly in bigger amounts", but I thought it was pretty obvious from my "say I have 12 bags" example.

Soaking in advance takes minutes and then you forget about it until you're ready. I wouldn't count the soaking time as invested time because you can just get on with life while it soaks, you prepare it in advance so it's no inconvenience. Straining with a brew bag takes minutes. At that point it's just scooping grain into bags.

Maybe no prep is suitable (and less work) on a very small scale, but going through 100s of lbs of grain every week, no prep is definitely more work, but that's besides the point - even just doing 6-12 bags at a time no prep = more work.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: normalperson]
    #27979510 - 10/03/22 12:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Oats are a poor choice for an inexperienced person to try first. Your first grain jars should be made with the highest quality grains, Wheat, Millet, or Rye. The slightly higher price is worth it.



i found oats to be extremely user friendly. not sure why you would advise against them, especially if OP has easy access


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979516 - 10/03/22 12:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Can you not PC bags worth of grains with water in it already? Or would that be not as worthwhile because you’d have to scoop and measure? Where as soaking = done once you take them to the bags?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Screwup]
    #27979525 - 10/03/22 01:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Bakedbeings -

I think it's due to the mixed results, differing from batch to batch.

There are countless people here, both experienced and not that have had bacterial issues with oats.

I have not tried them myself.

Screwup -


Yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at - the soak method just seems way faster to me. I couldn't imagine measuring out grain and water for every single bag, even the idea is frustrating, especially since you would need more than half a cup of each with reasonable sized bags. The soak and strain, when you're not accounting for the actual soak time, is just so effortless, and then it is just a matter of scooping. Not only that but they are hydrated properly instead of blasting them, meaning you actually get higher biological efficiency. The soak hydrates the grain mostly, and then loading wet allows the pressure cooker to finish off hydrating.

Basically I don't really see the soak and strain as a significant part of the process in terms of effort because I can get both done in a matter of minutes when planning ahead.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla] * 1
    #27979657 - 10/03/22 02:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i do the soak method. it is fewer steps, you just do everything in one big batch. measuring out water and grain for each jar is more tedious but less cleanup at the end


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