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InvisibleTexastransplant
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Grain Jar Tek advice
    #27978207 - 10/02/22 03:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I was looking to get some grain jars ready for a bulk grow, I have only found 1 tek I am thinking of using, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24126032 , anyone come across something better than this one?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978221 - 10/02/22 03:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Rye, WBS, oats, wheat, etc..

It all comes down to personal preference but mostly I assume what is easily available and cheap where you live


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978224 - 10/02/22 03:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

That one works well, but if your oats are as dusty and dirty as mine, youโ€™ll have to rinse them thoroughly before hydrating them.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978247 - 10/02/22 04:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Rusty's right.

What can you find locally for a reasonable price?
To begin with you might not want to buy a huge 50lb bag of something. You can buy grains in bulk section of grocery store or you can find birdfood in 5 to 20lb bags. Bird food varies a lot! millet, milo, sunflow seeds, corn, etc. So even that takes some research.

Each grain has a specific prep tek for hydration.

Just starting out the grain you pick doesn't matter much. They all grow fruit. If you do everything right. :goodluck:


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27978255 - 10/02/22 04:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It all comes down to what is easily available and cheap where you live



:whathesaid:
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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27978257 - 10/02/22 04:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

One thing I didn't know when I first moved up to doing grain was spore syringes are not the best option.  It doesn't make sense they work fine for cakes why no grain and sometimes they do but I learned quick everyone on here told me it wasn't a great idea but I wanted to try I got a couple successful grows doing spores to grain but I also got alot of contaminated jars and I could always tell it was the syringe because it was always all the jars from a particular syringe that would be contaminated.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: croyleje]
    #27978276 - 10/02/22 04:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It would take a very compelling reason for me to switch from millet.  Crack's no prep is just so easy.  Although I think I'll try out P9's low prep method soon. But, still millet.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: schpat]
    #27979226 - 10/03/22 09:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the info. I live near a Tractor Supply Company, and there are lots of livestock nearby, so the oats was a no brainer for me in terms of availability, and cost ($25 ish for 50#).

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27979236 - 10/03/22 09:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

$25 for 5 lbs?? Damn thatโ€™s crazy expensive. I mean starting out, sure go for it, but if you live near a lot of livestock you should be able to find 50 lb bags for that price


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: mind.at.large]
    #27979244 - 10/03/22 09:37 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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$25 for 5 lbs?? Damn thatโ€™s crazy expensive. I mean starting out, sure go for it, but if you live near a lot of livestock you should be able to find 50 lb bags for that price




Yeah thats what I meant :laugh:, fixed the post above, good catch!

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27979246 - 10/03/22 09:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh yes haha makes sense now! Good luck to ya


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: schpat]
    #27979291 - 10/03/22 10:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It would take a very compelling reason for me to switch from millet.  Crack's no prep is just so easy.  Although I think I'll try out P9's low prep method soon. But, still millet.




P9s method is actually less work and is far better. Properly hydrated (meaning higher BE) and less bacterial issues. I constantly see people complaining about bacteria with cracks method.

Say I have 12 bags.

I have to measure out the water and grain for every single one of those bags with cracks method.

With p9s method, soak in advance > quickly strain with a brew bag > scoop into bags.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979318 - 10/03/22 10:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I use WBS from Walmart.  I get 40lb bags for $23.

The price is good which makes it hard to find sometimes.  There are 20lb bags as well.  Slightly less economy, but still a decent price.

I do a quick rinse, then into a pot on the stove.  Bring to a boil best I can. Larger volumes sometimes don't come to as strong of a boil. 

I have tested removing the sunflower and leaving it in.  It is a "how much time do I have" question.

If keeping sunflower reduce to a simmer when it hits the boil and push the sunflower down until it (and the sesame seeds) mostly stop floating. 

Pull off floaters, drain, let sit and occasionally stir to let out steam.  (About 30-60ml minutes)  toss in jars and PC.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant] * 1
    #27979465 - 10/03/22 12:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Oats are a poor choice for an inexperienced person to try first. Your first grain jars should be made with the highest quality grains, Wheat, Millet, or Rye. The slightly higher price is worth it.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979478 - 10/03/22 12:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Less work than cup of millet and half cup of water straight into PC? Idk bout dat. At the very least it takes basically zero time compared to soaking.

Edited by Screwup (10/03/22 12:31 PM)

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Screwup]
    #27979480 - 10/03/22 12:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

When I was writing it originally I added "particularly in bigger amounts", but I thought it was pretty obvious from my "say I have 12 bags" example.

Soaking in advance takes minutes and then you forget about it until you're ready. I wouldn't count the soaking time as invested time because you can just get on with life while it soaks, you prepare it in advance so it's no inconvenience. Straining with a brew bag takes minutes. At that point it's just scooping grain into bags.

Maybe no prep is suitable (and less work) on a very small scale, but going through 100s of lbs of grain every week, no prep is definitely more work, but that's besides the point - even just doing 6-12 bags at a time no prep = more work.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: normalperson]
    #27979510 - 10/03/22 12:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Oats are a poor choice for an inexperienced person to try first. Your first grain jars should be made with the highest quality grains, Wheat, Millet, or Rye. The slightly higher price is worth it.



i found oats to be extremely user friendly. not sure why you would advise against them, especially if OP has easy access


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979516 - 10/03/22 12:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Can you not PC bags worth of grains with water in it already? Or would that be not as worthwhile because youโ€™d have to scoop and measure? Where as soaking = done once you take them to the bags?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Screwup]
    #27979525 - 10/03/22 01:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Bakedbeings -

I think it's due to the mixed results, differing from batch to batch.

There are countless people here, both experienced and not that have had bacterial issues with oats.

I have not tried them myself.

Screwup -


Yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at - the soak method just seems way faster to me. I couldn't imagine measuring out grain and water for every single bag, even the idea is frustrating, especially since you would need more than half a cup of each with reasonable sized bags. The soak and strain, when you're not accounting for the actual soak time, is just so effortless, and then it is just a matter of scooping. Not only that but they are hydrated properly instead of blasting them, meaning you actually get higher biological efficiency. The soak hydrates the grain mostly, and then loading wet allows the pressure cooker to finish off hydrating.

Basically I don't really see the soak and strain as a significant part of the process in terms of effort because I can get both done in a matter of minutes when planning ahead.

Edited by Guerrilla (10/03/22 01:05 PM)

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla] * 1
    #27979657 - 10/03/22 02:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i do the soak method. it is fewer steps, you just do everything in one big batch. measuring out water and grain for each jar is more tedious but less cleanup at the end


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27979699 - 10/03/22 03:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

oats and hoes yo

put pc with water on stove, turn on stove top to high

open bag on counter, scoop a level measure of oats using custom made scoop that gets me +- close on the dry oats weight, pour hot water into high accuracy measuring cup and then into the grain bag

fill 9 other bags same way

fold bag tops, load pressure cooker and run it 2 hours after it gets to temp

very fast, very easy, one level scoop one pour at a sharpie marked level of water. I get the bags filled and loaded before the water starts to boil in the pc.

i cant see how bag prep gets easier or quicker

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #27979701 - 10/03/22 03:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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i cant see how bag prep gets easier or quicker




soak > strain > scoop

lmao

If you tried it you'd see :wink:

Even just reading your post I was like

:hank:
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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979706 - 10/03/22 03:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It literally cant be. I pour the grain into the bag, i dump water in the bag. I put bag into pc. It CANT get easier or quicker. There is no step that can be made to take less time or effort. I prep 10 bags from start to finish before water can boil.

Edited by TheUsualSuspect (10/03/22 03:26 PM)

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    #27979710 - 10/03/22 03:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

team soak

lets just agree to disagree


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27979712 - 10/03/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It literally cant be. I pour the grain into the bag, i dump water in the bag. I put bag into pc. It CANT get easier or quicker. There is no step that can be made to take less time or effort. I prep 10 bags from start to finish before water can boil.




Ok friend

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team soak

lets just agree to disagree





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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27979722 - 10/03/22 03:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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team soak

lets just agree to disagree





I'm trying to see where you two think there is a time savings between the two methods. I dont see it. You guys think there is one. This is not about 'right vs wrong' its about education. You two surely have more exp than me. What am I missing. 

I look at it like in the soak method you will have to let the grains screen to remove excess water and deal with cleaning a screen, scoop tool and the bucket in addition to starting your process the night before. The comparison I guess is the measure of the water where I pour water into a measuring cup to a sharpie marked line and then dump into the bag. Even if we were prepping say a 5 gallon bucket of grain, I have no doubt my process is faster.

What part am I not seeing?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #27979727 - 10/03/22 03:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Read my posts in page 1

Fuck a screen, polyester brew bags are where it's at :thumbup:


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979744 - 10/03/22 03:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

ok so soaking and screening and then measuring and then pouring... is faster than scooping a substance to a level scoop and pouring


that 'agree to disagree' thing you mentioned - lets do that

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect]
    #27979747 - 10/03/22 03:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Edit:

Ok.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Guerrilla]
    #27979750 - 10/03/22 03:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i love oats.
they want to be rinsed and cooked till they are properly hydrated (takes between 30 and 40 mins for me)
when are they properly hydrated?
when the grain becomes almost transparent down to the core (chop em open to check) but the hull is still on and intact, maybe a few grains have popped out of their skin, but  dont overcook them.

and then you let them dry (on the outside) overnight.and i mean really dry!

load them in jars and pc between 2 and 3 1/2 hours or more, depending on psi.
but most importantly, and thats where i have failed in the very beginning, VENT YOUR PC properly!

you want a constant stream of steam coming from it before putting the weight on.

THATS IT

from now on, always perfect oats .

Oats...


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: chris77]
    #27979915 - 10/03/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Dealing with wet millet is a pain in the bung hole.  I am working at small scale going through thousands of grams of grain a week (two thousands):tongue


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 1
    #27979984 - 10/03/22 06:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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ok so soaking and screening and then measuring and then pouring... is faster than scooping a substance to a level scoop and pouring


that 'agree to disagree' thing you mentioned - lets do that



not interested in winning this debate, just saying that soaking is less work from my perspective

i throw a bag of grain in a bucket
i cover it in water
i strain it
i load my jars

it takes longer from start to finish but it takes less of my time and i dont have to measure a single thing

we can all agree either of these methods is infinitely better than the old school prep. rinse, soak, boil, strain, rinse, dry, kill yourself


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27980001 - 10/03/22 06:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It it about time to say:

:whocares:

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27980355 - 10/03/22 09:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It it about time to say:

:whocares:

?




I (was) trying to learn something but baked and guerrilla took it like i was challenging their post count manhood or something. I was not trying to argue or win an argument. What do I get if I win an argument? Nothing. What do I get if I 'prove them both completely wrong'? Again nothing.

I study efficiency and time management. I directly asked them to educate me. Neither was interested. Its fine. I have given up on this string and they are free to think of me whatever they want, I dont care.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: TheUsualSuspect] * 1
    #27980410 - 10/03/22 10:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Are yโ€™all really still arguing about whether soaking or no prep millet is better??

Standard prep wheat allllllll day!


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27980416 - 10/03/22 10:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Why prep grains when you can inject spores into a bag of pre cooked rice?

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    #27980418 - 10/03/22 10:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I donโ€™t want to speak for anyone but itโ€™s really not like that.

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    #27980725 - 10/04/22 06:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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baked and guerrilla took it like i was challenging their post count manhood or something.




bro wat :freewilly: its not like that at all

i think we did a decent job of explaining, and repeating, why we prefer what we prefer. i even stated twice that i appreciate why you would do it your way, its just a matter of preference

another reason that i forgot to add is that i like soak water for agar and LC, and as yet ive only discovered one way to make it


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27980889 - 10/04/22 09:18 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'm hobby level and do wheat. Simmer, strain/dry, jar, PC.

I do own a brew bag and the soak method is interesting. Do you dry the outside of the grain on a screen before jarring?

I've found that properly hydrated wheat that is then dried on the outside gives me better spawn. No wet spots in the jar that will never colonize, or grow bacteria.

Efficiency is great, but all I do is small batches of 8 myco quarts once, every other week or so. 

I think this is a good thread/string. Keep it going!


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #27984054 - 10/06/22 05:36 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Kind of off topic, but, planning on prepping some quart jars this weekend, read some threads on use of poly fill, Tyvek, and microporous tape over the hole.

One thread showed some tests that suggested 2 layers of microporous tape provided a better barrier than poly fill.

Is this still the consensus? Or is 1 layer of tape adequate?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant] * 2
    #27984061 - 10/06/22 05:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

No reason to use only one layer, mp tape is cheap so use 4 layers if you can.

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    #27984073 - 10/06/22 05:53 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I use three layers of micropore


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27984098 - 10/06/22 06:27 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

2 layers is better than one, and while it does tend to work, I would personally advise against micropore altogether.

Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13642707

There is also an image somewhere of micropore under a microscope with large enough holes and tears for spores to fit through.


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    #27984128 - 10/06/22 06:58 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

when i used MP i used 4 layers. it worked ok but im much happier with SFDs


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27984135 - 10/06/22 07:07 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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when i used MP i used 4 layers. it worked ok but im much happier with SFDs




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SFDs for the win. Fast, effective, simple and yet quite cheap.


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27984147 - 10/06/22 07:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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2 layers is better than one, and while it does tend to work, I would personally advise against micropore altogether.

Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13642707

There is also an image somewhere of micropore under a microscope with large enough holes and tears for spores to fit through.





That was a good read (11 years old...) but still interesting. Quick googling led me to find this on 3Ms micropore surgical tape:



Also, they have provided some additional info on bacteria breach of the tape itself:



I think going 3-4 layers (criss-crossing as you layer) should provide a substantial filter barrier. covering with Alum Foil prior to popping it in the PC, you should be good. This will allow the to properly dry, and should provide adequate protection from bacteria.

Any thoughts?

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    #27984157 - 10/06/22 07:25 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i used nothing but MP for years. it "worked good". my contam rates were low but definitely not zero. it would get gross after a few cycles and was a sticky pain in the ass to change. because the down side is sticky grains would always glue themselves into my FAE hole. and i never felt confident putting my jars in the fridge lest the temp swing pulled mold spores through it

like i said it works fine in a pinch. i wouldnt recommend it to someone who wants to get serious tho


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27984158 - 10/06/22 07:29 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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i used nothing but MP for years. it "worked good". my contam rates were low but definitely not zero. it would get gross after a few cycles and was a sticky pain in the ass to change. because the down side is sticky grains would always glue themselves into my FAE hole. and i never felt confident putting my jars in the fridge lest the temp swing pulled mold spores through it

like i said it works fine in a pinch. i wouldnt recommend it to someone who wants to get serious tho





Hmm, has anyone attempted to tape a layer on the INSIDE of the lid? This would prevent the grains from making contact.

I wasnt planning on re-using the tape, either pull it off after finishing a jar, and reapply fresh, or just get new lids.

I know it would take some additional prep time per jar, but you could use something like goof off (or some other product that is not as strong) on the exposed underside of the tape to get the adhesive off(some weak acid as per 3M). Delicate work I would imagine as you dont want to dissolve the acid too much, just enough, probably using a stiff q-tip with the tiniest amount.

Thanks for the heads up on the grains sticking, if its unwise to tape to the underside of the lid, then will be cautious when shaking my master jar up!

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #27984214 - 10/06/22 08:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I use mp tape on my master jar lids. Many layers. Works great.


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    #28013006 - 10/23/22 06:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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If you tried it you'd see





After reading this string I decided to try it. I got 2 bags contam with cobweb mold so clearly im screwing it up. I have questions.

1) how long are you soaking and if you go so long as to fermentation is this a problem?

2) how big are the bags you are filling?

3) how long do you run them in the pc?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Texastransplant]
    #28013198 - 10/23/22 08:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So I thought I had WBS dialed but it turns out the stuff I can get cheap locally has these little pellets in it. If you have ever seen chicken feed, that is what it is basically. It's ground up something, I'm guessing seeds, but they probably add some sort of something to it. So it would be ground up and mixed with water and some adhesive agent and extruded like spaghetti, dried and broken up in little pieces. It seems to dissolve in 10 or 15 minutes so if you let it soak for a while and rinsed it through a strainer then it would get rid of all the mush I think and just continued the soak. It also has cracked corn in it.

Anything wrong with using this anybody can see?

They also have canary seed that I'm going to throw some agar wedges into and see how that does but I'm really wondering about the WBS I can get here.

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Bajazly]
    #28013314 - 10/23/22 09:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

idk about that wbs but i use canary seed. works great


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28013364 - 10/23/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Canary seed it is, tons of it around and cheap too. Seems pretty similar to millet and that is seemingly hard to find here as well.

Any tips on the soak and or boil time Baked?

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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: Bajazly]
    #28013658 - 10/24/22 06:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i just soak overnight, 12 hours approx, strain, dry, and load. experimenting with just loading dry seed and water like cracks millet tek but i dont have results yet


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Re: Grain Jar Tek advice [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28013683 - 10/24/22 07:02 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

ive just done my first experiment with WBS injected with a spore syringe (made by myself).
i just left it soaking in a big pan over night then bought it up to the boil and dumped it into a strainer then onto a flat sheet till it went cold - worked fine.

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