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First grow, is it looking ok?
    #27973095 - 09/28/22 10:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hello!
This is my first post on here and my first time growing in general.  Sorry if someone has already posted with similar concerns, I know all these newbie posts must be annoying.  Just for context, I have a Martha tent set up with 12 cakes and one fully colonized tray on the top row and various things that are still being colonized on the rows below. 

I introduced my fully colonized tray to fruiting conditions 4 days ago and I’m a little worried with how it’s looking.  I may just be overly paranoid but I’m just worried that there’s too much condensation on top of the mycelium, and since I uncovered it almost looks like the mycelium is becoming all connected on top like it’s grown a cover over everything if that makes sense.  I’m worried about turning down the humidity since the cakes seem to be drying out and the mushroom growth in them has been super slow. 

Again this is my first time growing so I am a total newbie and know I am probably just over reacting.  I attached some pictures to show what it looks like right now.  Hopefully the quality is good enough sorry for adding so many lol.  All of the dots on there are water droplets and I’m pretty sure the dark spots are places where condensation from the top of the tent has dropped onto the mycelium.  I haven’t noticed any primordia but the strain is PE (if that helps) and from what I’ve heard they take a long time to start pinning? 

If anyone has any thoughts, suggestions, or insights that would be much appreciated! Also sorry for the super long post I just wanted to make sure I was thorough.

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: MantaRay11]
    #27973149 - 09/28/22 10:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Small drops of water like that is what you want to see, looks pretty good to me. Maybe just barely a touch on the wet side on one or two of those. They do look a little matted but I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

How are they getting fresh air, got a pic of your chamber? Last pic looks like it might be knotting up. PE does typically take a bit longer to fruit


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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: So Anyway]
    #27973241 - 09/29/22 12:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Patience is key at this point, just gotta wait and keep your conditions dialed in.  From my perspective it looks like you have near perfect surface conditions, so keep up what you are doing.

For what it's worth I've had PE sometimes take 10 days or longer to show any sign of fruiting and they are notoriously slow, so just let them do their thing.  Good luck and great job for your first! :mushroom2:

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: So Anyway]
    #27973243 - 09/29/22 12:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah looks like good surface conditions.  How long since you spawned the tray?

Here’s some good reads on PE culting:

P9’s thick top layer method
Tedsdead’s PE casing method

I’ve grown a lot of PE as well..
My 16qt PE tubs

PE can take anywhere from 20-30 days to start fruiting from spawning.  They tend to blob on the first flush without the top two methods I posted above.. not always tho.  But if you do get blobs on the first flush, the second flush is usually normal fruits.  The blobs are good/safe to eat and usually really potent and you pick blobs and PE fruits in general when they start to soften up. 

Just keep maintaining what you’re doing and hurry up and wait

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: fahtster]
    #27973373 - 09/29/22 05:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok thanks! Yeah I think I’ve just been overly paranoid I’m glad to hear it’s looking good.  For fae I have a fan at the the bottom the create fresh circulation as well as my humidifier pumps fresh air into the tent even when it’s not creating humidity.  I’ve also been fanning a fee times a day when I can but I’m wondering if that may be excessive? I’ll add some pictures of my set up but they might not be great.
I spawned my grain to the tray 4 days ago which was why I was worried that it was looking so humid especially if PE’s take that long to fruit.  Also thanks for all the resources! :grin:


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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: MantaRay11] * 1
    #27973380 - 09/29/22 05:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Fanning can actually be detrimental to your grow.  It is old tek that is no longer recommended. Looks like your grow is coming along nicely! Congrats! :rockon:

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: MantaRay11]
    #27973538 - 09/29/22 08:07 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome
Your grow looks great.
I am envious!

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: Jaksavage]
    #27973819 - 09/29/22 11:27 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

From the looks of your surface conditions you could definitely fan more just make sure you don't fan so much that all the moisture on your trays drys up. Evaporation will cause knotting then primordia to form. IME PE has taken up to 4 weeks to show signs of knotting. Looks great just be patient! Fanning as stated above is not old info just isn't needed when conditions are dialed in perfectly and it Sounds like you are still dialing in the Martha. The idea is to give it as much fresh air as you possibly can without drying out the sub. Again Looks great!

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: KnateKing89] * 3
    #27973839 - 09/29/22 11:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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KnateKing89 said:
From the looks of your surface conditions you could definitely fan more just make sure you don't fan so much that all the moisture on your trays drys up. Evaporation will cause knotting then primordia to form. IME PE has taken up to 4 weeks to show signs of knotting. Looks great just be patient! Fanning as stated above is not old info just isn't needed when conditions are dialed in perfectly and it Sounds like you are still dialing in the Martha. The idea is to give it as much fresh air as you possibly can without drying out the sub. Again Looks great!





The best thing to do is just not fan at all while ensuring you maintain thousands of tiny droplets on the surface. Fanning is 100% old info and you won’t catch the more successful cultivators here doing it for a reason.

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: Screwup]
    #27974074 - 09/29/22 02:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Screwup said:
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KnateKing89 said:
From the looks of your surface conditions you could definitely fan more just make sure you don't fan so much that all the moisture on your trays drys up. Evaporation will cause knotting then primordia to form. IME PE has taken up to 4 weeks to show signs of knotting. Looks great just be patient! Fanning as stated above is not old info just isn't needed when conditions are dialed in perfectly and it Sounds like you are still dialing in the Martha. The idea is to give it as much fresh air as you possibly can without drying out the sub. Again Looks great!





The best thing to do is just not fan at all while ensuring you maintain thousands of tiny droplets on the surface. Fanning is 100% old info and you won’t catch the more successful cultivators here doing it for a reason.





The successful cultivators have perfectly dialed in FC's so yeah why would you fan a tub or GH that was dialed in? You wouldn't. I am using the term fanning quite loose meaning FAE. FAE is not outdated and indeed necessary. Most TC's would recommend upping FAE by upping fan cycles, cutting more slits, adding more holes, using less tape or poly putting a fan on low in the room ect. They are at most times running too many projects and can't be bothered with something like fanning by hand when taking a layer of tape off a mono would achieve the same thing overall. Fanning=FAE The more FAE/Fanning you give while maintaining optimum RH and surface conditions the better results and healthier the grow period. Quibbling over semantics is petty. Rant over.

OP give Fresh air in any fashion you want be it fans, slits in the tent or fanning by hand. Just be sure not to give so much that the surface dries out. You will find the sweet spot! You always want to have small beads of water covering the top like you have now though 1 or 2 of them the beads seem bigger than I personally would like. PE is slower usually and bigger beads of water on pins can cause brusing (Reason I recommend to keep up the occasional fanning by hand) or you could do any number of things as stated above. Just don't change to many things at once. Looks great though either way and if you keep doing EXACTLY what you are doing I doubt you will be dissapointed with the results.

Edited by KnateKing89 (09/29/22 02:58 PM)

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: MantaRay11]
    #27974197 - 09/29/22 04:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok thanks for all the advice.  I’ll make sure to stop fanning.  Based on everything I think it’s getting enough fae.  I think I’m probably messing with it too much too since I’m over excited so I’ll try to let it keep going it’s thing.

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: KnateKing89] * 1
    #27974406 - 09/29/22 06:58 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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KnateKing89 said:
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Screwup said:
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KnateKing89 said:
From the looks of your surface conditions you could definitely fan more just make sure you don't fan so much that all the moisture on your trays drys up. Evaporation will cause knotting then primordia to form. IME PE has taken up to 4 weeks to show signs of knotting. Looks great just be patient! Fanning as stated above is not old info just isn't needed when conditions are dialed in perfectly and it Sounds like you are still dialing in the Martha. The idea is to give it as much fresh air as you possibly can without drying out the sub. Again Looks great!





The best thing to do is just not fan at all while ensuring you maintain thousands of tiny droplets on the surface. Fanning is 100% old info and you won’t catch the more successful cultivators here doing it for a reason.





The successful cultivators have perfectly dialed in FC's so yeah why would you fan a tub or GH that was dialed in? You wouldn't. I am using the term fanning quite loose meaning FAE. FAE is not outdated and indeed necessary. Most TC's would recommend upping FAE by upping fan cycles, cutting more slits, adding more holes, using less tape or poly putting a fan on low in the room ect. They are at most times running too many projects and can't be bothered with something like fanning by hand when taking a layer of tape off a mono would achieve the same thing overall. Fanning=FAE The more FAE/Fanning you give while maintaining optimum RH and surface conditions the better results and healthier the grow period. Quibbling over semantics is petty. Rant over.

OP give Fresh air in any fashion you want be it fans, slits in the tent or fanning by hand. Just be sure not to give so much that the surface dries out. You will find the sweet spot! You always want to have small beads of water covering the top like you have now though 1 or 2 of them the beads seem bigger than I personally would like. PE is slower usually and bigger beads of water on pins can cause brusing (Reason I recommend to keep up the occasional fanning by hand) or you could do any number of things as stated above. Just don't change to many things at once. Looks great though either way and if you keep doing EXACTLY what you are doing I doubt you will be dissapointed with the results.




Let's not muddy the waters here.  Fanning means fanning, not passive FAE

Fans aren't necessary and they need way less FAE than most people realize

OP, they look great but stop messing with them so much. They prefer to be left alone
Also, might consider not using the aluminum trays.  The myc eats aluminum (you might notice holes in the tray when they're done) and some of that aluminum will likely end up in the fruits

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #27974478 - 09/29/22 07:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

This is why in the last 16 years I have been roaming this site I only recently started posting. Again with the semantics.
Of course fanning means fanning. Passive FAE does not mean fanning (obvious) you are correct but fanning CAN accomplish FAE.I said fanning=FAE not FAE=fanning which would be incorrect. Why do we want FAE? What actually happens when we give fresh air? The humidity temporarily lowers which causes evaporation which in turn raises humidity but this time with the oxygen that the mushrooms NEED to thrive.I am pretty sure the OP knows why he is fanning. The ONLY thing I was trying to say is his fanning is not going to hurt anything in the amount that he is doing it and will actually help him get a bigger flush overall. There is no such thing as too much FAE/fanning as long as RH is where it needs to be. The biggest mushrooms I have ever seen were grown outside with no restriction on fresh air. The more fresh air you can give while maintaining humidity the better the results. Sure they don't NEED all that fresh air but I can tell you from experience that they sure do love it. Just because something can be done does not mean it's optimal. Sorry OP for jacking the thread I will leave it at this and not respond anymore.

Edited by KnateKing89 (09/29/22 07:46 PM)

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: KnateKing89] * 2
    #27974495 - 09/29/22 07:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

:nojustno:
You acted like fanning is the same as passive FAE and say I'm arguing semantics?
That would be confusing to someone reading this looking to learn something

Keep reading bro.  You aren't ready to be giving advice yet
There's a lot of double talk in that last post and most people experienced cultivators suggest not fanning and misting
I imagine you're quite young and think you know all there is to know about growing shrooms.  That's ok, you'll get there one day
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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #27974543 - 09/29/22 08:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TheStallionMang said:
:nojustno:
You acted like fanning is the same as passive FAE and say I'm arguing semantics?
That would be confusing to someone reading this looking to learn something

Keep reading bro.  You aren't ready to be giving advice yet
There's a lot of double talk in that last post and most people experienced cultivators suggest not fanning and misting
I imagine you're quite young and think you know all there is to know about growing shrooms.  That's ok, you'll get there one day
:grampofapproval:





I never said fanning was Passive FAE. When exactly did I say that? Multiple times I said FAE can be accomplished in multiple ways fanning being 1. Telling a new cultivator that doesn't know exactly what Feild capacity looks like or how a monotub is going to react in their environment never to fan or mist could be detrimental to there grow. I'm not young and like I said have been reading for 16 years. Find one thing I said in any of my posts that isn't accurate. I'm sure I could dig around and find some pictures of my grows from 5-10 years ago.

Edit:

Here are some tubs from 2013

First flush pics. They aren't great pics but if you look close the beads of water are way bigger than I like and actually leaving marks on some of the caps. Took the tape off the top holes completely and some off the bottom as well tubs were stacked 5 high so I couldn't take the lids off like you would in an unmodified tub. Granted It was my fault mixing the tub too wet it wasn't evaporating fast enough so to save it and get a decent flush I fanned by hand twice a day at least in order to try and get those beads of water smaller.
Just one example of why fanning would be better than just "leaving" the tub to do its thing.

















Second flush same tub

Heavy mist twice a day followed buy a heavy fan for 20 or so seconds. for two days then fanning by hand once a day till harvest.



















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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #27974652 - 09/29/22 09:21 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok thnx! Yeah a noticed it almost looked like there was mycelium on the bottom of the trays.  I have some sterilite  tubs I was thinking of using for my next grow they just seem a little taller than I would have liked for my tent.  Does anyone have any other suggestions or is this the best way to go?

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: MantaRay11]
    #27974663 - 09/29/22 09:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Tubs maintain their own microclimat so they wouldn't need to be inside your tent. Could clear you some space for something else.


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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: KnateKing89]
    #27974688 - 09/29/22 09:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

KnateKing89 said:
Quote:

TheStallionMang said:
:nojustno:
You acted like fanning is the same as passive FAE and say I'm arguing semantics?
That would be confusing to someone reading this looking to learn something

Keep reading bro.  You aren't ready to be giving advice yet
There's a lot of double talk in that last post and most people experienced cultivators suggest not fanning and misting
I imagine you're quite young and think you know all there is to know about growing shrooms.  That's ok, you'll get there one day
:grampofapproval:





I never said fanning was Passive FAE. When exactly did I say that? Multiple times I said FAE can be accomplished in multiple ways fanning being 1. Telling a new cultivator that doesn't know exactly what Feild capacity looks like or how a monotub is going to react in their environment never to fan or mist could be detrimental to there grow. I'm not young and like I said have been reading for 16 years. Find one thing I said in any of my posts that isn't accurate. I'm sure I could dig around and find some pictures of my grows from 5-10 years ago.




Dude, you've edited 3 of your 4 posts in this thread.  Don't ask me to find what you said after you changed it in an edit
:justno:

Maybe you're one of those people really just have to be right all the time but this isn't the place for that crap
Reddit is the place if you're looking to be told everything you think is right

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #27974725 - 09/29/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TheStallionMang said:
Quote:

KnateKing89 said:
Quote:

TheStallionMang said:
:nojustno:
You acted like fanning is the same as passive FAE and say I'm arguing semantics?
That would be confusing to someone reading this looking to learn something

Keep reading bro.  You aren't ready to be giving advice yet
There's a lot of double talk in that last post and most people experienced cultivators suggest not fanning and misting
I imagine you're quite young and think you know all there is to know about growing shrooms.  That's ok, you'll get there one day
:grampofapproval:





I never said fanning was Passive FAE. When exactly did I say that? Multiple times I said FAE can be accomplished in multiple ways fanning being 1. Telling a new cultivator that doesn't know exactly what Feild capacity looks like or how a monotub is going to react in their environment never to fan or mist could be detrimental to there grow. I'm not young and like I said have been reading for 16 years. Find one thing I said in any of my posts that isn't accurate. I'm sure I could dig around and find some pictures of my grows from 5-10 years ago.




Dude, you've edited 3 of your 4 posts in this thread.  Don't ask me to find what you said after you changed it in an edit
:justno:

Maybe you're one of those people really just have to be right all the time but this isn't the place for that crap
Reddit is the place if you're looking to be told everything you think is right




I edited the posts because I am on my phone and after re reading noticed the autocorrect messed up some words I didn't change what it said the first time just fixed spelling. I'm a little ocd like that... Anyways done arguing lmao this is getting old. I added pics from 2013 to give an example of when fanning by hand might be better than leaving it be.

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Re: First grow, is it looking ok? [Re: KnateKing89]
    #27974730 - 09/29/22 10:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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