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Moria's updated Gymnopilus Guide (How to Find Laughing Gyms!) * 18
    #27973922 - 09/29/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Disclaimer: This guide is for educational and entertainment purposes only.

In addition, since I first created this guide, I have started to feel that our knowledge of this genus of fungi is extremely limited. There may be many factors that remain unknown with Gymnopilus. Please keep this in mind. For all of you who have helped research Gymns with your own experiences and observations, I sincerely thank you.
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So, you've heard about the mysterious Big Laughing Jim. You've seen pictures, read trip reports, and maybe even started hunting for it yourself. But, in the swirling vortex of information (and, in many cases, misinformation), clearly articulated threats of the deadly look-alikes Galerina marginata and Cortinarius rubellus species give you pause. And yet more reports claim the Laughing Jim is inactive, or extremely weak; and you find yourself wondering: Is this even worth it?



Introduction
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This guide is several years in the making. Since the season for Gymnopilus subspectabilis on the east coast is about to begin, and is already underway in some areas, I've decided to finally compile all the information I have to share. Hopefully this guide will allow you to find and identify these funny orange mushrooms yourself!

In the first section of this guide I'll be going over one key mushroom in the Gymnopilus genus, Gymnopilus subspectabilis. This species, as it was redefined as distinct from G. junonius in a recent paper, is one of the most common large psychoactive Gymnopilus mushrooms on the east coast of the United States and Canada, and I have the most experience with it. Several Gymnopilus species that are closely related and look very similar, such as G. junonius in Europe and Australia and G. ventricosus on the west coast, are unfortunately inactive.


A Story
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Several years ago, when I first started to learn about mushrooms, I became obsessed with the Laughing Gymn. Nobody could seem to tell me if they were active or not, or where I should be looking to find them. But I had to find them, and so I searched forest after forest in the summer heat. I even drank tea made from Cortinarius rubellus that I was convinced were Gymns. You can go back and look at my first posts on the Shroomery and see just how dumb I was. Then, one night, in the fall, I stumbled upon a small group of pins in the woods:



Several days later, they looked like this:



The blue bruising made it clear that I'd finally found what I was looking for, completely by chance. Then, over the next few weeks, they started showing up everywhere.




Part 1: Habitat and Season
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Many Gymns fruit primarily in autumn. For me, that means they start popping sometime in September, peaking in October right around Halloween, and end by the time the very cold November days begin. In some areas that are further north or south the season may vary slightly. Although many sources will say otherwise, I've found G. subspectabilis fruiting almost exclusively at the bases of trees and stumps, or seemingly terrestrially from buried roots. In my area they are especially common and easy to spot on the sides of roads, near small parks, or in small, shady hardwood stands.



They only associate with hardwoods and don't seem particularly picky, although I always have the best luck with large Red Oaks and Basswoods, and sometimes Maples. Many of their hosts can be ornamental trees planted along suburban roads. They are also very common growing with ornamental pear trees!



The point is, you don't have to push very far into the woods to find these mushrooms. A few similar species, like G. luteus and G. speciosissimus are more commonly found growing from logs in the woods, but I don't have much personal experience with them. Some have also said they grow in mulch and woodchips, although I've never encountered this. Mulch-dwelling Gymns seem to be exclusively in the G. luteofolius or G. lepidotus species groups. (More on these species in Part 4...)


Part 2: Description
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I will not go into much detail here, as many published descriptions do a better job than I could. However, I will give a few key details and general characteristics. All Gymns are very heavy sporulators, releasing massive dustings of orange spores all over the place. G. subspectabilis is a yellow to orange mushroom, with the cap being about the same colour as the stem in most specimens. When young, the mushroom forms very tight clusters of pins that almost look like little grains of corn:



As they age, many pins will abort, turning blue-green, then eventually dark orange-brown-blackish. Before the cortinate veil opens, the caps are usually VERY round if undisturbed, which you can see in some of the prior photos. The cap itself also displays another key characteristic: the slightly fibrous, scale-like crackling pattern. This isn't always apparent, but it is definitely a characteristic to note.

The smell is very distinct! Strong mushroom-anise, licorice-like scent


Part 3: Look-alikes
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Several Cortinarius species can look similar to Gymns. However, the difference often lies in the growth habit and habitat. Cortinarius rubellus rarely forms clusters and is more often gregarious, and it isn't often found in landscaping settings. They are also often more brown than yellow, and G. subspectabilis will only get that brown if it is very old. Also, Corts tend to display a more pronounced umbo, which Gymns will never do.

Galerina marginata bears almost no resemblance to G. subspectabilis in my opinion. The cap is smooth and hygrophanous rather than scaly and fibrous, and the mushrooms are tiny in comparison. Really, the only similarity is the spore colour.

Omphalotus illudens can be a very convincing look-alike from a distance, preferring almost the exact same habitats as G. subspectabilis. They can, however, be easily distinguished by their decurrent gills and light spore print.

Many Armillaria and Desarmillaria species also share habitats with G. subspectabilis and can look very similar from afar, but with a white spore print, these can also be easily distinguished.

Pholiota is another genus that can look very similar to Gymnopilus and grows in the same habitat, but Pholiota often shows a much wider variety of colours, including whites, browns, and yellows. They also often display a characteristically slimy cap, which Gymns will never have.

Part 4: Gymnopilus luteofolius Group
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Very recently I became acquainted with this beautiful reddish, yellowish, purple-ish mushroom that bruises blue and green (nearly the whole rainbow in one mushroom!?). Since it hadn't yet been reported from my area, I thought I'd likely never see it in person unless I traveled.

I turned out to be very wrong.

I encountered my first Gymnopilus luteofolius specimen not in the woods, or in woodchip mulch, or even growing out of anything at all. The first one I saw was in my coworker's hand-- he said he found it growing on a table, and knowing that I'm into mushrooms, he picked it for me. Astonishingly, over the next few weeks, over half of our tables were fruiting G. luteofolius!

Description: Of variable growth style, sometimes cespitose, sometimes gregarious, and occasionally solitary. Size also varies considerably, as well as colouration. Tones of deep purple-red, red-orange, and yellow-orange are all common, even from the same colonies. Gills are a stark pale-yellow, dropping large amounts of orange-yellow spores. The veil is highly cortinate, and the cap is dotted with reddish scales that tend to spread out as the mushroom matures, revealing more yellow-orange cap tissue. The brownish ring is present on some specimens, but tends to fall off easily. These bruise much stronger, dark blue-greens are not uncommon!



Habitat: This is where things get weird. G. luteofolius, or at least the species group as a whole, has a wide range of habitats. I've only found them growing from old wooden greenhouse bench tables that get daily watering. It seems like high amounts of moisture and humidity is a must for these fungi to flourish. Despite their bright colours, they can hide very well:



Strangely, in the Pacific Northwest and places in the South, these mushrooms can dominate mulch patches, something I've never seen around the northeast. However, many, many people report finding this mushroom growing from treated wood. In my case, a greenhouse bench. Others have said inside an old shed. At least two reports (including one from Stamets) have recorded the mushroom growing on boats. Old park benches also provide optimal habitat after heavy rain. In these settings, the mushroom might have a nearly cosmopolitan distribution as the international lumber industry ships colonized logs all over the world. In their natural habitats, very wet and damp areas are a must. For example, a decayed log half-submerged in water.

Seasonality seems unimportant for this species group. Where G. subspectabilis is very particular about its season, I've been picking G. luteofolius from spring through fall on outdoor watered tables. I'm still looking into the mystery surrounding the natural habitat vs. mulch habitats vs. treated wood. Several different species are probably present here!

Look-alikes: Tricholomopsis spp. are really the only ones to note. They can be very convincing from the top, but the stipe and gills don't match, and the scales don't often appear Gymn-like.

Part 5: Gymnopilus lepidotus group
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I have the least experience with this type of Gymn. I believe I found one once, in a plant we had shipped in from Florida. They tend to be much smaller and less robust, but still with a general semblance to the luteofolius group. They tend to grow in tropical or subtropical settings.



I still don't know exactly what these Gymns are. They are much more yellow-orange at maturity, very small, and do bruise blue-green. Special thanks to Alan Rockefeller, the DNA barcode sequence he ran on these mushrooms came back as a 100% match for Genbank samples published under several different names, often G. lepidotus, but also G. ochraeus described from Zimbabwe: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/130621703 Clearly there is a lot more to study regarding this genus!

Part 6: Gymnopilus luteus
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Thanks to Carnonos' great report regarding Gymnopilus luteus,  I was able to add some information regarding Gymnopilus luteus. Superficially, it might seem basically the same as G. subspectabilis, and I often see collections misidentified in both directions. The habitat, however, is almost completely different-- as well as the growth habit.

While G. subspectabilis is typically cespitose, it's usually more common for G. luteus to grow gregariously or in small clusters on old, decaying hardwood logs. In most cases, these are in mixed woodlands, with hardwoods such as Birch, Poplar, Basswood, various conifers, and Beech. These forests are usually very damp and dark with a developed underbrush. Damp environments seem key for this species (as well as G. luteofolius), and several members have noted different species of Gymns fruiting from logs half-submerged in rivers or streams. It's a very beautiful species indeed! Special thanks again to Carnonos for the information and photography:




Part 7: Loose Ends, Epilogue, and Beyond...
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Once you've found your Gymns, congratulations! You may enjoy them just as you would any other mushroom, although fresh Gymn tea seems to be the preferred method. Studies have shown that some Gymnopilus mushrooms contain kavalactones, which may contribute to the psychoactive effects. For psilocybin content, Unknownfungi did some excellent tests on related Gymnopilus species and found that they are about half as potent as Psilocybe cubensis.

I hope that this guide helps people get started looking for Gymns on the east coast and all over the world. I will probably update this as more information becomes available, or if I realize I've forgotten something.

Good luck and happy hunting! :laugh::thumbup:


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: 6The6Despised6One]
    #27977399 - 10/02/22 12:30 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Hey all wow i didn't expect to cause a commotion with this, really grateful for the support, you've all taught me a lot! :cool:

As for the anise smell, virtually all gymns i've picked have had that same smell, albeit at different intensities, perhaps G. luteus is just the strongest of all!

In terms of the stipe apex zone, yes freshly opened G. subapectabilis does usually exhibit that lighter feature when young, but so do some Cortinarius and others, there's this one i remember seeing that has this big orange floppy veil that opens up that also has a light stipe apex, but i'm blanking on the name, i think it was a phaeo-something. Plus, that zone can turn yellow-orange farely quickly as the mushroom ages


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: OlSk00lFarmer]
    #27979739 - 10/03/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Found these today these good to go?



Pic?

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What are the chances of finding these in newfoundland Canada? There is not alot of hardwood growing up here, mostly fir.
Its almost liberty caps season in a week or two. I'm wondering if I could be out looking for these too



I would look into Gymnopilus voitkii, it has a similar habit but prefers fir trees, has been found in NL


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Moria841]
    #27979751 - 10/03/22 03:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Also updated: Another common host is the bradford pear trees that have been planted all over the suburban east coast


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Southerner]
    #27982671 - 10/05/22 11:21 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Moria841 said:
In terms of the stipe apex zone, yes freshly opened G. subapectabilis does usually exhibit that lighter feature when young, but so do some Cortinarius and others, there's this one i remember seeing that has this big orange floppy veil that opens up that also has a light stipe apex, but i'm blanking on the name, i think it was a phaeo-something. Plus, that zone can turn yellow-orange farely quickly as the mushroom ages




Thanks for the great info and proper name for the zone.

One more question if you don’t mind: do you know if subspectabilis will come back in the same spot for multiple years?



Yes! I pick from the same tree bases year after year, although it might not always be around the same time, certain patches might fruit a bit earlier or later from year tp year, so if you don't see them in one of your spots, check back the next week


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27982674 - 10/05/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Great tutorial bro

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Renegade Mycologist why did you edit out those photos of extremely rare undescribed Gymns? :stoned:


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Soloist]
    #27985006 - 10/06/22 05:10 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)


Things are getting started :cool:


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Icyurmt]
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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Moria841] * 1
    #28042514 - 11/09/22 05:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Updated to give some (limited) info on the other Gymns out there!


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Jeruhmeh]
    #28068045 - 11/24/22 09:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Does any species seem to produce more euphoria than another?



Need more anecdotal reports to know for sure. Some have reported mild kava-like effects in addition to the psilocybin psychedelic effects (including myself). More people gotta try em!

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Wow this is the best thing I've read on shroomery it was exactly what I was looking for and it's so true I have become absolutely obsessed with finding Jim I don't know why all I know is that the only thing that will bring me happiness is finding Jim's haha ironically I introduced two of my friends to mushroom hunting and one of them is a little bit of an airhead but she consistently finds mushrooms all over the place and yesterday when we were all walking she found a whole bunch of gyms not sure what species but they were mostly yellow maybe a little orange had a rusty orange Veil that was covered in spores and turned hella blue at the stem when I messed with it so I was a little surprised and for the last couple days I've been just obsessed with trying to figure out a better way to find them because I much like you have searched every Forest around me for weeks and can't seem to come across them but as you said they don't necessarily grow super deep in the woods I feel like they enjoy their sunlight and Deep Woods maybe doesn't provide enough of that I should also mention that I live in Florida so it's always hot here and it's always wet but it's a little wetter than usual that being said when I was walking home tonight I came across what looked like a hamburger bun in the grass which turned out to be a mushroom so I picked it and I kept walking home and when I got home I pulled it out and I noticed that there was significant green bruising on the cap and I thought huh that reminds me of luteofolicus which I have only ever found one of and it was significantly smaller than this one I pretty much just assumed it was trash and so I broke it and within seconds it turned the deepest blue I've ever seen. You can check my previous post if you're interested in that I didn't mean to digress so far all I wanted to say was thank you for posting a guide about Jim's and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that's absolutely obsessed with finding them finding all the other species such as pans, is pretty easy. Gymnopolis are harder to find and so it makes the hunt more exciting. I found a couple different strains but never more than one or two at a time so I have yet to actually enjoy a gymnopolis trip but rest assured it's coming haha thanks for the info though really great




Awesomeman, glad you enjoyed it! Florida is great for the really neat lepidotus clade and luteofolius clade Gymns, which I find to be particularly interesting. Keep up the good hunt my friend!


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Re: Moria's updated Gymnopilus Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Southerner]
    #28098050 - 12/14/22 10:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

:congrats: Awesome!! Yes I have noticed colonies becoming locally dominant, at my old college G. subspectabilis was a very aggressive species that took over the entire campus in October. There was also a very small tract of forest between the student center and the main highway, which had maybe 1 out of every 5 trees hosting G. subspectabilis clusters. There were too many to count!


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Re: Moria's updated Gymnopilus Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Southerner] * 1
    #28110984 - 12/24/22 11:13 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Hey all, thanks for tuning in to this week's updates on all things Gymnopilus.

Alan has informed me that G. thiersii is actually a synonym for G. luteofolius. It seems like the species is quite variable andd versatile!


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Re: Moria's updated Gymnopilus Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Thomas Envisio]
    #28119003 - 12/31/22 03:59 PM (1 year, 27 days ago)

Thanks so much, i'll add those to the front page when I get a chance!


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: XnMe]
    #28477756 - 09/21/23 03:06 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Not much bruising on these but they definitely give me a big smile but after a while of heavy drinking, sitting down feels like I'm in a rocking boat lol
My buddy's thought it was pretty funny while we were camping:lmafo: especially when you gotta make it from the fire to the tent.
I have a jar full of them and swear they are just a good mood enhancement sober.

I'd send spore samples to whomever'



Those are not the Gymns you're looking for...

Nah but in all seriousness, those don't look like an active species. They remind me of G. penetrans, or maybe G. liquiritae. They are absolutely Gymns though, so nice find! Your experience likely was placebo, but since other Gymns are known to produce bioactive kavalactones, it could have been a genuine psychoactive effect. More research is needed here for sure!


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Soloist]
    #28477759 - 09/21/23 03:10 PM (4 months, 4 days ago)

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Really looking forward to getting out and hunting this year…
To all you NJ/NY area guys, when would be the best time to start looking?



I start checking my spots now, but full clusters of large fruits typically don't pop up until October around me. Subspectabilis in particular can take over a week for pins to form mature mushrooms. I've even watched them stall during a week of dry weather, before maturing the following week after some rains


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Re: Moria's Gymnopilus subspectabilis Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: gman] * 1
    #28490029 - 10/02/23 02:15 PM (3 months, 24 days ago)

Thanks G, just checked my spots too and found some pins starting up!



Gonna be a while until they mature though, lol...



Luteofolius is coming up again too


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    #28497900 - 10/09/23 05:19 PM (3 months, 17 days ago)

:hereyougo:


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Re: Moria's updated Gymnopilus Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: LeafRaker]
    #28511191 - 10/19/23 11:06 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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First time in a couple years found a G. speciosissimus:



This was early in the season (October 5 or so) where I normally hunt for G. subspectabilis. It's an early 20th-century neighborhood with a lot of current+former oak trees. Just over 1kg from this basketball-sized mass. Turned it into my strongest gym trip so far!



Amazing!


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    #28511204 - 10/19/23 11:18 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)


A really pristine harvest, saved this cluster with perfect timing in case the rains this weekend ruin them. First real harvest of the season for me.

Have fun out there guys, and if anyone notices anything peculiar about their gymns, let me know! We still don't know a ton about their growth habits and I'm still investigating this genus as a whole so I can make this guide more comprehensive!

Love to see the gymn love :sun:


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Re: Moria's updated Gymnopilus Guide (How to Find Laughing Gymns!) [Re: Um hi]
    #28519849 - 10/27/23 07:36 AM (3 months, 3 hours ago)

They look perfectly good. Beautiful haul!


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