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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27973582 - 09/29/22 08:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i had a couple successes using spore to grain then a bunch of failures before i learned its more prone to contam.  Now i just do pf tek cause its easy and produces enough for my friends and I.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: TinManUnite]
    #27973583 - 09/29/22 08:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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My guess is you went spores to grains. Whether that’s an all in one bag or not that’s where you likely went wrong.




Tub one was MSS to grain. It was when I was first starting out and hadn't discovered this site yet. It fully colonized the grain well, and you can see pics above that it looked pretty healthy at first.

So... I'm assuming that is contam of some sort? Could it be because the sub was too saturated when I mixed it, or that the FAE holes are too high up on the sides of the tub?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973589 - 09/29/22 08:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Tub one is green trich and probably some other issues but definitely tons of green trich


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #27973602 - 09/29/22 08:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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So... I'm assuming that is contam of some sort? Could it be because the sub was too saturated when I mixed it, or that the FAE holes are too high up on the sides of the tub?



its bc you shot spores into a bag. contam begins in the spawn. even if it looks "healthy" to you


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27973605 - 09/29/22 08:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thats the worst part about contams. Everything can look fine and then when you think all is fine it just shows up.  If you search “recognizing and dealing with contamination” it is a great resource.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 2
    #27973606 - 09/29/22 08:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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definitely throw that first one out immediately.  second one looks pretty shot from the pics. Keep at it. Every grower has experienced this at some point.




Ok, so any ideas where Tub 1 got fucked? I need to know what I'm looking at, and if there is something I could have done to avoid tub 1's fate.



You inoculated a purchased grow bag with a spore syringe and added that to a purchased substrate. The syringe isn’t clean and you have no idea about the preparation of the grow bag or substrate. Could be lots of reasons that you can only speculate on.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27973611 - 09/29/22 08:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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So... I'm assuming that is contam of some sort? Could it be because the sub was too saturated when I mixed it, or that the FAE holes are too high up on the sides of the tub?



its bc you shot spores into a bag. contam begins in the spawn. even if it looks "healthy" to you




Yes, I get it. I've been reading this site now long enough to understand, where I did not in the beginning, that MSS without agar testing is a major no no.

I have since moved into agar testing first, and trying for a clean T3 before I even think of inoculating.

But, I'm sure, even with better techniques now, I will encounter this again in the future. I'm just trying to figure out what the grey areas are, and if (even with better techniques) there is something I did wrong other than the obvious MSS -> Grain bag = BAD.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27973619 - 09/29/22 09:00 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Tub one is green trich and probably some other issues but definitely tons of green trich





Thank you! I appreciate it. This was sadly when I had not yet discovered the wonderful resource this site is.

Hopefully my PF Tek will come out better.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973649 - 09/29/22 09:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Hopefully my PF Tek will come out better.



Much better chance of success.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27973667 - 09/29/22 09:35 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Hopefully my PF Tek will come out better.



Much better chance of success.




I am hopeful. Sadly about half of my PF Tek jars were also straight from MMS.

I tried a shotgun approach to learning all of this tek wise to see what would be best and what would go down. I assumed I would lose about +/-50% due to inexperience at minimum.

Some of the jars appear to have a lot of metabolites in them, so I am worried about contam there too, though the myc is still spreading and some of the jars look almost fully colonized at this point.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973705 - 09/29/22 09:53 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Keep trying. Post pictures. What BRF tek are you using?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27973716 - 09/29/22 10:01 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Keep trying. Post pictures. What BRF tek are you using?




TBH, I don't know. I bought a premade kit (yes another rookie mistake) that came with supposedly pre-sterilized BRF Jars.

All the myc in them looks white, but the a lot of the centers of each sector(?) are producing what looks like either water or metabolites.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973740 - 09/29/22 10:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

You’re not the first and won’t be the last to go the premade route. Post some pictures.
Are you set up to run a BRF grow from the start?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27973773 - 09/29/22 10:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

MSS is fine for PF TEK in fact its a tek tailor made for spore syringes. unfortunately mail-order jars are garbage because the whole tek depends on not disturbing the verm layer so shipping is a deal breaker


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27974414 - 09/29/22 07:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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You’re not the first and won’t be the last to go the premade route. Post some pictures.
Are you set up to run a BRF grow from the start?




I have the perlite and the fruiting chamber.

These are some of the PF's I'm concerned about. Lots of moisture in there in certain areas.



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MSS is fine for PF TEK in fact its a tek tailor made for spore syringes. unfortunately mail-order jars are garbage because the whole tek depends on not disturbing the verm layer so shipping is a deal breaker




Yeah, I've read that here. That's the next thing I'm planning on learning is how to make my own BRF's and spawn bags. Been running through the threads here to learn, but I don't have all the needed materials yet.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27974492 - 09/29/22 07:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

those jars look ok. remove the foil, its trapping heat and moisture


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27975056 - 09/30/22 07:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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those jars look ok. remove the foil, its trapping heat and moisture




Interesting! Should I remove the foil only on the ones that are mostly (80%+) colonized, or on all of them?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27975063 - 09/30/22 07:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

all of them


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27975068 - 09/30/22 07:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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all of them




Thank you! If I inoculate these premade jars in the future, should I keep the foil on until I see growth?

I'm highly considering going out and getting some vermiculite and taking the top layer off the other jars and re-sterilizing them in the pressure cooker again just in case. Think that will work?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27975115 - 09/30/22 08:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Make a filter you trust. There's several guides on it everywhere here.

https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Mushroom-Growers-Simple-Cultivation/dp/0992558409?asin=0992558409&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

See pages 16-20 if you can get access to this book


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