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or trump? the ruling class as labeled hated trump.
trump is the ruling class. he was installed by the elite.
why is this so hard to comprehend for some people?
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: mushboy]
#27971764 - 09/28/22 07:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The Trump presidency was invented by Big News to sell more news.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: mushboy]
#27971769 - 09/28/22 07:43 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: or trump? the ruling class as labeled hated trump.
trump is the ruling class. he was installed by the elite.
why is this so hard to comprehend for some people?
bbbut Trump’s gun lock killery up, drain the swamp, and close the borders with a hyuge beautiful wall and Mexico is going to pay for it all mannn…
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mushboy
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nah he stole yalls money and made everyone out to be suckers. like for real for real.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#27971812 - 09/28/22 08:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: President is decided by election.
Election by electoral college, who DONT have to vote in line with the popular vote of the people.
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Tulipslave said:
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Enlil said: President is decided by election.
Election by electoral college, who DONT have to vote in line with the popular vote of the people.
They kinda do. First, it's legally required in most states which represent a great majority of electors. Also, where it isn't, it is expected and generally done. There are a few exceptions, but they've never changed the outcome of an election.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#27971944 - 09/28/22 10:30 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Tulipslave said:
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Enlil said: President is decided by election.
Election by electoral college, who DONT have to vote in line with the popular vote of the people.
They kinda do. First, it's legally required in most states which represent a great majority of electors. Also, where it isn't, it is expected and generally done. There are a few exceptions, but they've never changed the outcome of an election.
But they have voted out of line, at their own penalty, and could alter the results.of the populus.
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And aliens could blow up the planet. If I worried about everything that could happen, life would suck.
The reality is that electors could alter the result of ONE election. After that, the system would be fixed to ensure it doesn't happen again.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#27971995 - 09/28/22 11:00 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Tulipslave said:
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Enlil said: President is decided by election.
Election by electoral college, who DONT have to vote in line with the popular vote of the people.
They kinda do. First, it's legally required in most states which represent a great majority of electors. Also, where it isn't, it is expected and generally done. There are a few exceptions, but they've never changed the outcome of an election.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but the electoral college has changed the outcome of an election:
5 Presidents Who Lost the Popular Vote But Won the Election
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Changed it from what, exactly? Not from what was intended in the Constitution.
But that wasn't the discussion. The discussion was whether faithless electors have changed the outcome. That hasn't happened.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#27972013 - 09/28/22 11:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Changed it from what, exactly? Not from what was intended in the Constitution.
Changed from the popular vote of the people.
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Enlil said: But that wasn't the discussion. The discussion was whether faithless electors have changed the outcome. That hasn't happened.
No, I quoted what the discussion was about.
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Do you not understand how the electoral college works? They vote in line with the popular vote of their state. Tulipslave says they don't "have to." Which is technically true in the same sense that we don't have to pay taxes. Nonetheless, most do vote in accordance to the popular vote in their states. Them not doing it hasn't altered the outcome of an election.
I'm not sure why you're so lost on this one.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Enlil]
#27972069 - 09/28/22 11:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe I misunderstood Tulipslave's point. I thought when he said they don't have to vote in line with the popular vote of the people, he meant the country. Maybe he meant the individual states, in which case I won't argue.
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I've known tulipslave for awhile, and he's a smart dude. While I don't want to put words in his mouth, I seriously doubt he would be trying to make the point that the electors should all vote for whomever wins the popular vote nationally. If he were, he would talk about the systemic problem of having an electoral college at all. Obviously, we all agree that systemically, it is anti-democratic.
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Tulipslave
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Maybe I misunderstood Tulipslave's point. I thought when he said they don't have to vote in line with the popular vote of the people, he meant the country. Maybe he meant the individual states, in which case I won't argue.
I was talking about each states electors. And ad Enlil pointed out, not all states allow electors to vote outside of that states popular vote.
But the fact remains, electors [in states where legally allowed to] can vote opposite the popular vote that they "represent" in the electoral college.
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Yeatster said: Everyone knows that. The elite elect them
Haha, acckshually no.
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It makes some difference Maybe not as much as we'd like though. But some. Back when I was in uni the first time I voted for a new gym sports building to be built, and guess what, now they have a new gym. Boom. The system works.
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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Lynnch]
#27973180 - 09/28/22 11:10 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think on the local level, voting matters more. But on the national level, you'll never get a person who looks out for anyone but the rich anymore.
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What it's very popular at the moment to go after rich people. Bernie Sandberg almost got elected using the old commie trick of promising juicey handouts for votes.
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The reason he lost is because he said he would go after rich people. He had early momentum, but the establishment all got behind Biden at the same time.
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