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How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? * 1
    #27967857 - 09/25/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I've only tried psilocybin a few times but so far am a believer. 

Being plagued with depression and PTSD, mushrooms let me enjoy life again.  For a while. 

I'd been trying them about once a month.  I've been unable to use them for over two months, closer to three, due to life circumstances. 

The last couple weeks I've found myself having thoughts pop up like, "wouldn't it just be easier if I was dead?" and a general feeling of depression creeping back. I've had those thoughts in the past, to the point where I was considering listening to them, which is why I attempted psilocybin in the first place. They're nothing I want to act on, and I'll have an opportunity to utilize the magic that's mushroom medicine again soon.  Not worried for my well-being.  Just trying to figure out what mental health maintenance looks like.

My question is, for those using psilocybin to crawl out from depression, how often do you used them? What kind of dose do you use?

Thanks all for the help.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27967883 - 09/25/22 05:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

My own experience: for about a week or two I feel great. Week three and four I still feel good. After that, the depression slowly begins to creep into my life. The problem with depression is that it doesn't occurr all of a sudden. It is so gradual that often times I don't realize I'm falling back into being depressed until it is already interfering with my life (maybe 2 or 3 months after).

I can't trip as often as I could because of multiple circumstances. Last time it was almost 6 months without tripping. I think the optimum for me would be every month or month and a half but I am rarely able to do it with such frequency. I usually will trip every 3-4 months.

With time, I have noticed that the physical symptoms are not as severe as before I started using the mushrooms. Even the last time when I went 6 months without using mushrooms my depression wasn't as bad as before I began using them. I have used large doses a couple of times (7 grams of some weak mushrooms I had and 4 grams of another batch of regular strength in another trip). I noticed the depression took longer to come back after the 7 gram trip (my 4 grams trip was just a couple of weeks ago). Having said that, I wouldn't recommend to simply jump in and try a large dose. I'm of the opinion that it is better to explore with gradual increases in the dose over multiple trips. It may take you months to find out the dose that works better for you. Last time my trip took me through heaven and hell a few times during the trip. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but it was very challenging. Would I go for another large dose again? Yes, but not every time I trip. The best dose for me may be around 3 grams but the trip experience is unpredictable. Some trips are all happy and with feelings of love and gratitude. In others I feel very annoyed and want the trip to end. But regardless of the experience I feel a lot better after I trip.

This is my own experience. Everyone is different. Let's see what other people have to say. Sucidal ideation was very frequent before I began using mushrooms. Now I rarely have those thoughts. Psilocybin really helped me.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: VP123]
    #27968564 - 09/26/22 08:02 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Thanks vp123. 

I think that will likely be my experience as well.  In a perfect world I wouldn't need to do it that often.  But it's a lot better than not having it as an option.

Has anyone found anything that prolongs the effects?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27968846 - 09/26/22 12:03 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

For me its kicked in Right away
Most ppls brains are a lot kinder than mine <or so I have come to believe>

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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27969336 - 09/26/22 04:47 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Oursoulsinmotion,

Sorry to hear that.  I hope there's a way you can find relief.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27969353 - 09/26/22 04:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I found large doses less often work better for me I usually only trip a few times a year now 3-5 times a year gives me a better base line then microdosing does.  I had issues with addiction and depression for a long time been clean from boy for awhile now and only use mushrooms and DMT.  I find it keeps my mood stable but like I said I only do it a few times a year but I usually do a relatively large dose.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: croyleje]
    #27969457 - 09/26/22 05:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Croyleje,

How much of what species is your larger dose?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27969561 - 09/26/22 06:27 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I grow a few different strains mostly just try them but my favorite is the Cambodian strain and my average dose is 4 grams if they are weaker like Golden Teacher 4.5 to 5 grams.  Basically I am looking to achieve ego death or the classical psychedelic experience of being transported to another reality. I hate the term hero dose but a dose large enough to be gone.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: croyleje]
    #27969674 - 09/26/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Interesting.  My last dose was 4.5 g ms cubes.  My highest so far.  Happened to not be a pleasant time, but taught me a lot and relieved the depression for a while, definitely worth it. Still not sure I'm ready to jump in that high a dose right now.  But maybe.  Planning out my next therapeutic dose and trying to figure out where I'd get the longest effects.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27970749 - 09/27/22 02:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Yeah from the people I have talked to dose seems very subjective depending on your current mood and as always set and setting.  If you have not tried microdosing that maybe something you might want to look into I didn't find it helpful plus I was worried about building tolerance.  I have been told you don't need to worry about that but it still worries me I like to be able to have a religious, ego death, complete reality changing trip a few times a year and I don't want to possible effect my ability to do that. 

I was on lots of antidepressants and anti psychotics serequel, depakote, lithium, all kinds of ssri's none ever worked then after a trip I noticed I was better for awhile happy again able to interact with people and open up again didn't think about it much then it happened again and I got clean and have been I only do shrooms and DMT now. 

I know depression can be hard to explain to people it's not just being depressed if you think shrooms or natural medicine can help go slow and start low with dosage.  I might also add if you still smoke weed you might want to consider stopping doing it from time to time is one thing but smoking everyday depressed me and it just keeps you sedated. 

Well I wish you good fortune on your journey and best wishes.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27970751 - 09/27/22 02:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

If my long ass post wasn't clear start low go slow and don't feel like you have to do a certain amount.  Do what you want to do and ask for help when you need to.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: croyleje]
    #27971840 - 09/28/22 08:55 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Thank you very much for your help and support


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27972791 - 09/28/22 07:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Oursoulsinmotion,

Sorry to hear that.  I hope there's a way you can find relief.



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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: VP123]
    #27973357 - 09/29/22 05:16 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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My own experience: for about a week or two I feel great. Week three and four I still feel good. After that, the depression slowly begins to creep into my life. The problem with depression is that it doesn't occurr all of a sudden. It is so gradual that often times I don't realize I'm falling back into being depressed until it is already interfering with my life (maybe 2 or 3 months after).

I can't trip as often as I could because of multiple circumstances. Last time it was almost 6 months without tripping. I think the optimum for me would be every month or month and a half but I am rarely able to do it with such frequency. I usually will trip every 3-4 months.

With time, I have noticed that the physical symptoms are not as severe as before I started using the mushrooms. Even the last time when I went 6 months without using mushrooms my depression wasn't as bad as before I began using them. I have used large doses a couple of times (7 grams of some weak mushrooms I had and 4 grams of another batch of regular strength in another trip). I noticed the depression took longer to come back after the 7 gram trip (my 4 grams trip was just a couple of weeks ago). Having said that, I wouldn't recommend to simply jump in and try a large dose. I'm of the opinion that it is better to explore with gradual increases in the dose over multiple trips. It may take you months to find out the dose that works better for you. Last time my trip took me through heaven and hell a few times during the trip. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but it was very challenging. Would I go for another large dose again? Yes, but not every time I trip. The best dose for me may be around 3 grams but the trip experience is unpredictable. Some trips are all happy and with feelings of love and gratitude. In others I feel very annoyed and want the trip to end. But regardless of the experience I feel a lot better after I trip.

This is my own experience. Everyone is different. Let's see what other people have to say. Sucidal ideation was very frequent before I began using mushrooms. Now I rarely have those thoughts. Psilocybin really helped me.




Have you tried microdoses instead of trips since life has you unable to trip as frequently as youโ€™d like?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Trickymush]
    #27973708 - 09/29/22 09:54 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I'm about 36-48 hours b4 noticing I'm not doing well. But atm I'm fucked mentally, normally i'd say a week.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Trickymush]
    #27975464 - 09/30/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Have you tried microdoses instead of trips since life has you unable to trip as frequently as youโ€™d like?




I have. It doesn't work as well for me. I tried it in the past when my depression was more severe. The larger doses have been definitely more helpful. With microdosing some days I had the feeling that it worked a little. Other days I felt nothing in terms of improvement.

A couple of times I have taken moderate doses (1 - 2 grams) that allowed me to keep going until I found the occasion for a deeper trip. But after one of my larger doses I did not have the need to take that moderate dose. Last time I was able to go almost 6 months without the moderate dose. I am experimenting with myself and I think the large doses had made a significant difference.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: VP123]
    #27976146 - 10/01/22 05:16 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

The antidepressant effect lasts 3-4 weeks for me as well. If I forget and let life get in the way the lowliness starts creeping back in.

LSD can last longer if I take higher doses, but it takes a whole day to recover from that, I often can't afford to miss a whole day.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Northerner]
    #27978461 - 10/02/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

An evening to myself, a cup of tea and a great reminder of how much beauty is in the world.  Especially trees. And especially music.

I feel very fortunate to have had an experience that slaps the weight of my heart, even if it only lasts a few weeks.  For right now that's enough.

Thank you all for your support and I hope everyone else suffering can have safety, health and peace.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude]
    #27980193 - 10/03/22 08:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I ate 7g in June and was still doing well when I had 6.5g last week. I am hoping that will get me through the long Idaho winter because I only do them outdoors when its warm. When I am inside things go downhill fast for me.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: VP123]
    #28117162 - 12/30/22 06:53 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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My own experience: for about a week or two I feel great. Week three and four I still feel good. After that, the depression slowly begins to creep into my life. The problem with depression is that it doesn't occurr all of a sudden. It is so gradual that often times I don't realize I'm falling back into being depressed until it is already interfering with my life (maybe 2 or 3 months after).

I can't trip as often as I could because of multiple circumstances. Last time it was almost 6 months without tripping. I think the optimum for me would be every month or month and a half but I am rarely able to do it with such frequency. I usually will trip every 3-4 months.

With time, I have noticed that the physical symptoms are not as severe as before I started using the mushrooms. Even the last time when I went 6 months without using mushrooms my depression wasn't as bad as before I began using them. I have used large doses a couple of times (7 grams of some weak mushrooms I had and 4 grams of another batch of regular strength in another trip). I noticed the depression took longer to come back after the 7 gram trip (my 4 grams trip was just a couple of weeks ago). Having said that, I wouldn't recommend to simply jump in and try a large dose. I'm of the opinion that it is better to explore with gradual increases in the dose over multiple trips. It may take you months to find out the dose that works better for you. Last time my trip took me through heaven and hell a few times during the trip. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but it was very challenging. Would I go for another large dose again? Yes, but not every time I trip. The best dose for me may be around 3 grams but the trip experience is unpredictable. Some trips are all happy and with feelings of love and gratitude. In others I feel very annoyed and want the trip to end. But regardless of the experience I feel a lot better after I trip.

This is my own experience. Everyone is different. Let's see what other people have to say. Sucidal ideation was very frequent before I began using mushrooms. Now I rarely have those thoughts. Psilocybin really helped me.




Are you a caffine drinker by any chance?

It will ruin the bennefits.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Mr.Joules]
    #28117279 - 12/30/22 09:23 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Why do you say that?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Northerner]
    #28118347 - 12/31/22 02:59 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

Same experience lower the dose, less effect, I am worried about going from 2 to 4g because sometimes it a real emotional roller coaster, I try my best at set and setting. How do you see the difference, I canโ€™t completely remove my anxiety


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: vivahuck]
    #28137418 - 01/13/23 01:09 AM (1 year, 15 days ago)

When you guys are talking about 2 to 4 grams, do you mean fresh or dried?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: kittyshroom2022]
    #28137517 - 01/13/23 05:32 AM (1 year, 15 days ago)

Dried.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Mr.Joules]
    #28147952 - 01/19/23 06:33 PM (1 year, 8 days ago)

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Quote:

VP123 said:
My own experience: for about a week or two I feel great. Week three and four I still feel good. After that, the depression slowly begins to creep into my life. The problem with depression is that it doesn't occurr all of a sudden. It is so gradual that often times I don't realize I'm falling back into being depressed until it is already interfering with my life (maybe 2 or 3 months after).

I can't trip as often as I could because of multiple circumstances. Last time it was almost 6 months without tripping. I think the optimum for me would be every month or month and a half but I am rarely able to do it with such frequency. I usually will trip every 3-4 months.

With time, I have noticed that the physical symptoms are not as severe as before I started using the mushrooms. Even the last time when I went 6 months without using mushrooms my depression wasn't as bad as before I began using them. I have used large doses a couple of times (7 grams of some weak mushrooms I had and 4 grams of another batch of regular strength in another trip). I noticed the depression took longer to come back after the 7 gram trip (my 4 grams trip was just a couple of weeks ago). Having said that, I wouldn't recommend to simply jump in and try a large dose. I'm of the opinion that it is better to explore with gradual increases in the dose over multiple trips. It may take you months to find out the dose that works better for you. Last time my trip took me through heaven and hell a few times during the trip. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but it was very challenging. Would I go for another large dose again? Yes, but not every time I trip. The best dose for me may be around 3 grams but the trip experience is unpredictable. Some trips are all happy and with feelings of love and gratitude. In others I feel very annoyed and want the trip to end. But regardless of the experience I feel a lot better after I trip.

This is my own experience. Everyone is different. Let's see what other people have to say. Sucidal ideation was very frequent before I began using mushrooms. Now I rarely have those thoughts. Psilocybin really helped me.




Are you a caffine drinker by any chance?

It will ruin the bennefits.




Caffeine? Do you have any literature that backs this up? Or just personal experience?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Ditchdude] * 2
    #28152359 - 01/22/23 02:59 PM (1 year, 6 days ago)

Howdy stranger. Glad to find your post here.

Lately I've been realizing that mushrooms were helping me (long term) more than I realized. For a year or two I stopped doing psychedelics, and the depressive symptoms got worse and episodes were longer. Intense stress and sleep deprivation during my PhD did not help and were clear triggers of depressive symptoms (but not necessarily causative). When I did do mushrooms again, they had a clearly positive impact on my mindset and functioning for several weeks afterwards, maybe up to a few months. In general my doses were somewhere between 1-3 g cubensis, or an equivalent dose of dried truffles, usually a month or more apart. Didn't play around with microdosing, but I do believe it helped to have a solid trip vs a tiny buzz. There's some limited clinical trial evidence that suggests macrodose is more effective than micro for depression. Haven't tried "large" doses either, but if 2-3 g is effective I figure I would stick with the minimal effective dose at the longest effective interval.

I also started lexapro (SSRI) about a year ago (10 mg daily), it helped a good deal. I tapered off after 6 months under a doctor's supervision and relapsed into depression during taper and immediately afterward, so started taking it again and it's still helping somewhat. I will echo what another user said here: daily weed consumption seems to hurt rather than help, even though it feels good to dissociate from depressive thought patterns by being stoned whenever I feel like it. Kratom tea (made with 2-5 g crushed leaf, not powder, and strained before drinking) has been helping too but it's addictive and only works dose-by-dose, and causes withdrawal and possibly more depression when stopping. Excessive caffeine/nicotine probably fucks up my mental balance too.

For me, mushrooms thankfully still worked while taking lexapro though I maybe needed a slightly higher dose for the same effect. YMMV. Both psilocybin and SSRI's are thought to have significant effects on neuronal plasticity, aside from their canonical mechanism of action as serotonin agonist and reuptake inhibitor, respectively. This might explain why SSRI's take weeks to start working even though they increase synaptic concentrations of serotonin much quicker. From what I can tell about the latest research on psilocybin or synthetic non-hallucinogenic analogs, the state of neuronal plasticity induced by these drugs is most effective when combined with additional treatment such as cognitive behavioral therapy and improved diet/lifestyle etc. Seems like the idea is to take advantage of the period of time during which there's an increase in neural plasticity (eg. during and after the trip, or when SSRI's take full effect) with patterns of behavior that reinforce healthier neural connectivity/firing patterns.

Sorry for the long post just happy to share my thoughts/experiences.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: HumbleChemist] * 3
    #28168205 - 02/01/23 09:41 PM (11 months, 19 days ago)

Long story short....

I was abused both physically snd sexually as a child which surprisingly I pushed down fairly deep and still managed to live a good life through my teens and 20s. I am a combat vet and former sheriff which all had its affects with my psyche as well. It wasn't until my early mid 30s did the "trauma" come back to haunt me. Started having bad marriage issues, cheating and treating my wife bad. My relationship with my son started to go down hill as well (I never laid a hand on my kid but started to become short and negative with him and started noticing affects) eventually got to the point of suicide. Tried therapists, psyche meds, quitting my job and doing something less stressful and i stayed in my "funk". Started using mushrooms and completely transformed my life. Now that's not to say I still don't struggle...I'm still working on myself, ALOT!

I find the depression and mental health starts to decline about 2-3 months post psychedelic dose. However I have noticed more and more time goes where I don't need to use mushrooms because each journey I come out with lessons learned and healed from past trauma, it's like a 6hr trip feels like a decade of therapy. My relationships with my family are great, and most importantly the relationship with myself and the world has vastly improved. So every couple months I like to hit the reset button and dose....figure taking a night by myself 4-6x a year beats a daily medication that makes me feel numb. I'm not handicapped by the mushroom or rely on it but use it to enhance my view of the world and incorporate the lesson learned into my daily life. Am I perfect about it, hell no! But it's become something that I no longer need, but truly enjoy doing!!!


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: MountainDweller]
    #28168236 - 02/01/23 10:30 PM (11 months, 19 days ago)

Thanks for sharing, MountainDweller. Glad to hear it's helping you so profoundly.

Just curious, are there times where the mushroom trip pushes you further down the hole, rather than pulling you out of it? I know some trips are difficult but I've always come out of them in a better place than before, but worry (irrationally?) that someday it'll go bad and stay bad after?


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: HumbleChemist] * 2
    #28168656 - 02/02/23 07:40 AM (11 months, 19 days ago)

Personally no they don't. I'm a firm believer that the power of the mushroom resides within yourself and how yoy utilize it through responsible use. For example set and setting, using it wisely, not being careless, etc... not to sound woowoo but I've learned to treat the medicine like a religious or spiritual practice/ritual and when this practice is respected I don't come out the other side worse. Again, this is when it is treated and used respectfully and wise....even if I'm just looking to have a good exploratory journey and not focus so much on healing (which always happens regardless lol). Set and setting and listening to your gut on when/where.


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: MountainDweller] * 1
    #28168967 - 02/02/23 11:34 AM (11 months, 19 days ago)

Love seeing these types of posts about the benefit of not only mushrooms but of proper set and setting, intent, integration, respect etc. All the good shit.
Nice one for sharing and hope your next trip gives you exactly what you want & need man. :etjesus:


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Re: How long do you avoid depression after psilocybin? [Re: Lithop]
    #28172867 - 02/04/23 11:24 PM (11 months, 16 days ago)

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Lithop said:
Love seeing these types of posts about the benefit of not only mushrooms but of proper set and setting, intent, integration, respect etc. All the good shit.
Nice one for sharing and hope your next trip gives you exactly what you want & need man. :etjesus:





Thanks for the kind words!


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