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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#27955631 - 09/18/22 06:46 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Needle nose tweezers work really well!
I like using tweezers too. Perfect for grabbing that stringy tissue.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69]
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why some people ask advice then gotta have a problem for every solution?
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san pedro guy said: why some people ask advice then gotta have a problem for every solution?
Pride.. it tends to be a dominant trait in humanity.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Wildcat1883]
#27956275 - 09/18/22 04:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Wildcat1883 said: So I should prbly harvest some of these right? First time w PEU. Also should I take the spores from the clusters? And what is the best way to get spores from PEU?

They still have a little ways to go. You won’t have to worry about spores all over with those either. I’d prob wait another two days.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27956318 - 09/18/22 04:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yo !
About using "Kelp Hydrolysate" for increase the richness of the substrate
for information: Kelp hydrolysate offers a high concentration of vitamins, iron, iodine, trace elements, auxin growth hormones and cytokinins, betaines, abscisic acids and ethylene and contains 21% organic potash. usualy use for weed culture. NPK: 1-0,1-21
Do you think it is a good idea ? there is not to much "element" who can have a bad consequences ?
The true it's I used it with a coco substrate, 1 coffee spoon for 20 liter of substrate. Monotube tek. No problem for colonization, no contamination with a big flush ( around 50 pins then hundred... ) of "tinny tinny" very very small mush. Less than 0.5 cm each mushroom, looks growing normally, normal shape , they even open cap for sporing but stay very little. For all of them, the higher was about 1cm ! very strange react
Maybe i had a problem with to much humidity in the box but do you thinks it could have a relation with my "fucking new" tek for the substrate using Kelp Hydrolysate ?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
#27956319 - 09/18/22 04:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Wildcat1883 said: So I should prbly harvest some of these right? First time w PEU. Also should I take the spores from the clusters? And what is the best way to get spores from PEU?

They still have a little ways to go. You won’t have to worry about spores all over with those either. I’d prob wait another two days.
To get spores you’ll have to swab the gills.
Heard. Thanks A.K.a
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: jobongisback] 3
#27956407 - 09/18/22 06:00 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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jobongisback said: Yo ! About using "Kelp Hydrolysate" for increase the richness of the substrate
for information: Kelp hydrolysate offers a high concentration of vitamins, iron, iodine, trace elements, auxin growth hormones and cytokinins, betaines, abscisic acids and ethylene and contains 21% organic potash. usualy use for weed culture. NPK: 1-0,1-21
Do you think it is a good idea ? there is not to much "element" who can have a bad consequences ?
Not a good idea.
Any fertilizer made for plants (esp with NPK) will usually increase growth of contams but not shrooms.
All you need is grain with coir and vermiculite. No fertilizer, no coffee, no blood meal, no kelp, no gypsym.
Pretty much everyone on this site growing canopy tubs of cube shrooms (wall to wall shrooms) is using grain sterilized in a pressure cooker grown to spawn in quart jars and nothing else. Then it's transferred to shoe boxes or tubs with verm and coir. Some just use grain with coir, but that's the minority, and you should start with standard verm / coir for your first 10 grows, at least.
Before people get good at growing with normal teks, they spend a lot of time thinking up schemes like this. I did.
Once you get good at grain, you'll stop worrying about special magical things to add.
If you really think you have a tek that's going to revolutionize this, learn to grow normally. Learn to grow clones. Grow clones and do a controlled experiment to find if your new way works.
Before you take any advice on here, look at the person's user gallery and see if they're growing lots of good shrooms. Also ignore most advice on here more than 5 years old.
You mention Monotube tek, I recommend shoeboxes for your first 10 good grows at least. Less chance of having to throw everything away.
Read my sigline article "Things I wish I'd known...."
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 2
#27956439 - 09/18/22 06:24 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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nektar61 said:
All you need is grain with coir and vermiculite. No fertilizer, no coffee, no blood meal, no kelp, no gypsym.
What about poop? Can I poop in my sub? Will that help?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#27956449 - 09/18/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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All you need is grain with coir and vermiculite. No fertilizer, no coffee, no blood meal, no kelp, no gypsym.
What about poop? Can I poop in my sub? Will that help?
Can you poop in your sub? You can but that's disgusting.
If you're talking about field-cured (or composted) cow or horse poop, I figured after my reply that someone would bring it up.
I don't recommend it for noobs. Increase chance of contam.
Some people use it for cubes, but not many. Those who do have grows very similar to people who use grain.
I think poop is overrated. Yes, it's where cubes grow in nature. But poop is just grain with some of the nutrients removed by a cow or horse.
If cow fields were full of piles of damp PCed grain, shrooms would grow on them just as well if not better. But the grain piles in fields is in the form of digested grain, i.e. poop.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 2
#27956458 - 09/18/22 06:36 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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All you need is grain with coir and vermiculite. No fertilizer, no coffee, no blood meal, no kelp, no gypsym.
What about poop? Can I poop in my sub? Will that help?
I knew after I wrote that someone would bring it up.
I don't recommend it for noobs. Increase chance of contam.
Some people use it for cubes, but not many. Those who do have grows very similar to people who use grain.
I think poop is overrated. Yes, it's where cubes grow in nature. But poop is just grain with some of the nutrients removed by a cow or horse.
If cow fields were full of piles of damp grain, shrooms would grow on them just as well if not better. But the grain piles in fields is in the form of digested grain, i.e. poop.
No no no, MY POOP. Can I poop in the sub? 
On a serious note, I really like your description of what manure is. I'll be appropriating that tyvm.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] 2
#27956473 - 09/18/22 06:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: No no no, MY POOP. Can I poop in the sub? 
I knew you were kidding. But it's been brought up seriously on here. Not for a decade but I saw it somewhere. May have been a troll.
I can't find it now but Pasty has a page on here of "advice for noobs", one of the things is not to use poop of any meat eating animal, only vegetarians and don't even THINK of using human poop"
Good advice, but I wonder if any vegetarian human has heard that and thought "Well, I'm a vegetarian, so...."
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SirPsycho said: On a serious note, I really like your description of what manure is. I'll be appropriating that tyvm.
I spent some summers working on a farm as a teen. I've fed enough cows and horses to have a deep understanding of what poop is. It's grain (grasses) but worse. haha.
I mean, there is some argument for it having an advantage using it for shrooms (and plants) that the nutrients are partially digested, which may make it easier for shrooms and plants to digest.
But grain is fine. Look at poop grows of cubes on here, they're no better than the grain grows, sometimes worse, and no one says the shrooms are stronger.
(I'm specifying cubes because that's most of what's grown on here, and there are some other species that need poop)
Whenever you read an article about some food being recalled for e. coli it's usually because they used horse or cow poop as fertilizer, and it wasn't property pasteurized with 140 to 160 f heat for an hour or two, or same via proper composting, with regular turning.
Sometimes e. coli in food is from human septic tanks not being maintained correctly and too close to vegetable fields. Sometimes it's from workers shitting in the fields, sometimes big industrial farms don't provided enough toilets.
Lettuce often has e. coli, and it's often grown in Mexico but sold in USA.
Mexico, India and China sometimes use human poo for fertilizer. Other places too. Google it if you want more info.
I'll stick to growing on grain, thank you.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
#27956504 - 09/18/22 07:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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But what about vegans poop
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Rusty2096] 3
#27956526 - 09/18/22 07:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: But what about vegans poop 
Vegan's poop?
Try it and lettuce know.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#27956554 - 09/18/22 07:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Try it and lettuce know.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69]
#27956558 - 09/18/22 07:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: But what about vegans poop 
Try it and lettuce know.

Speaking of old hippies smoking strange things, remember they used to sell "lettuce opium" in ads in the back of Rolling Stone magazine? Might not be before your time since your tag line is "Boomer."
I bought some and smoked it in the late 70s, it didn't work.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#27956570 - 09/18/22 07:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: But what about vegans poop 
Try it and lettuce know.

Speaking of old hippies smoking strange things, remember they used to sell "lettuce opium" in ads in the back of Rolling Stone magazine? Might not be before your time since your tag line is "Boomer."
I bought some and smoked it in the late 70s, it didn't work.
I know what that is lol I smoked it too as a kid. But my boomer tag is just slang for mushrooms. I'm not even 40...just yet.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#27956584 - 09/18/22 07:55 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: But what about vegans poop 
Try it and lettuce know.

Speaking of old hippies smoking strange things, remember they used to sell "lettuce opium" in ads in the back of Rolling Stone magazine? Might not be before your time since your tag line is "Boomer."
I bought some and smoked it in the late 70s, it didn't work.
Hahahaha, when I was in college, I was staying with some friend who had a house off campus and I had a gram of that crap and left it on the coffee table in the living room. I was out for a bit and when I got back, my friends thought they were getting over on me and had smoked the entire gram... I laughed my ass off when they all said it was bunk and that all they got was a headache!
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 1
#27956593 - 09/18/22 08:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: But what about vegans poop 
Vegan's poop?
Try it and lettuce know.
Not vegan I have a bacon addiction but that was very funny
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#27956608 - 09/18/22 08:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Once I figure out best practices for taking tissue samples cleanly, I’m going to lean hard into cloning. Spore streaks are extremely reliable for me as well.
Josex poke works well for cloning; split the stipe and scrape some of the internal tissue out with the needle. Then squirt it into a brf puck. I've had good luck making LC straight from clones this way too.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 3
#27956668 - 09/18/22 09:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: No no no, MY POOP. Can I poop in the sub? 
I knew you were kidding. But it's been brought up seriously on here. Not for a decade but I saw it somewhere. May have been a troll.
I can't find it now but Pasty has a page on here of "advice for noobs", one of the things is not to use poop of any meat eating animal, only vegetarians and don't even THINK of using human poop"
Good advice, but I wonder if any vegetarian human has heard that and thought "Well, I'm a vegetarian, so...."
Yuck.
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SirPsycho said: On a serious note, I really like your description of what manure is. I'll be appropriating that tyvm.
I spent some summers working on a farm as a teen. I've fed enough cows and horses to have a deep understanding of what poop is. It's grain (grasses) but worse. haha.
I mean, there is some argument for it having an advantage using it for shrooms (and plants) that the nutrients are partially digested, which may make it easier for shrooms and plants to digest.
But grain is fine. Look at poop grows of cubes on here, they're no better than the grain grows, sometimes worse, and no one says the shrooms are stronger.
(I'm specifying cubes because that's most of what's grown on here, and there are some other species that need poop)
Whenever you read an article about some food being recalled for e. coli it's usually because they used horse or cow poop as fertilizer, and it wasn't property pasteurized with 140 to 160 f heat for an hour or two, or same via proper composting, with regular turning.
Sometimes e. coli in food is from human septic tanks not being maintained correctly and too close to vegetable fields. Sometimes it's from workers shitting in the fields, sometimes big industrial farms don't provided enough toilets.
Lettuce often has e. coli, and it's often grown in Mexico but sold in USA.
Mexico, India and China sometimes use human poo for fertilizer. Other places too. Google it if you want more info.
I'll stick to growing on grain, thank you.
Manure grows still use grain. Manure is the substrate, it's pasteurized and spawned to a tub with grain spawn just like coir.
I would only recommend manure to a person who has no access to coir. It's benefit is only that it's free and plentiful in rural areas where people mqy have a difficult time ordering coir
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