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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27977672 - 10/02/22 08:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Yes.

I live in a rural area that also gets cold enough that it's dangerous to live in your car in the winter.

The affordable housing is 30 minutes from grocery stores or areas where you can find employment. We do not have a reliable bus system. They buses run late, do not run in evening hours, and have very limited weekend hours.

To live the areas where you could walk or bike to work is extremely expensive and there is a shortage on rentals.

A car is a necessity for people living in the more affordable areas and when people have to start selling possessions, they hang onto their cars and drive them into the ground. Lots of people also learn to do vehicle repairs independently wherever possible, because upkeep on an old vehicle that you need in order to keep your job is crazy expensive and often contributes to continued poverty. You may have a car but if you just dropped a paycheck on repairs and have to forgo paying other bills because of that, you're still poor. But if you say fuck it and don't fix your car and can't afford a more reliable one, you can't get to work. Then you have no income and none of your Bills get paid and you are eventually rendered homeless, so you're still poor in that scenario also. 

There are some places in the U.S. where having a vehicle is your lifeline. It is the difference between getting the job and not getting the job, and keeping the job or being let go due to not being able to get there. In areas where homeless resources are limited, it is the difference between being out in the elements and having shelter when you become homeless.

Rural poverty and urban poverty look different, but they are both still poverty.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27980583 - 10/04/22 03:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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There is a level of poverty where you have to sell your car because you cant afford not to sell it - not because you cant afford its upokeep but because you can't afford not selling an item of value that is in your possession.





A car is a strait up necessity for lots of people




That still doesnt mean they cant be deprived of it. Poverty is harder than what you need. poverty is all the way to death.

Plenty iof homeless people need a car, want a car, used to have a car but no longer have a car.

Poverty is not on your terms.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27980739 - 10/04/22 07:14 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I'm just saying that you shouldn't judge somebody's state of poverty by whether or not they have a car. It's not a reliable indicator.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27983074 - 10/05/22 04:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

people can be in a very poor state with a car, but when they have to surrebnder that car is when the bass drops on their poverty.

I think I can safely judge a certain degree of poverty on whether the person has any possessions pf value left. That itself is a metric of poverty.

That doesnt mean car hobos cant be driven to suicide by the atrociousness of their situation, of course, that i won't judge.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Asante]
    #27983259 - 10/05/22 05:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I'm telling you man, you can't sell some of the cars I've seen people live in, and cars are more valuable than food money for lots of people. You don't give up a necessity to get a few bucks just because you've hit another stage of poverty. There's no real value in comparing people's poverty when they can't make ends meet either. What's the point in passing that kind of judgement?


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27984688 - 10/06/22 01:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

A car is a fuckload better place to sleep than with your ragged clothes stuffed with cardboard in a dumpster, with rats. that kind of poverty is in every big city, the poverty of the people whjo have absolutely nothing.

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There's no real value in comparing people's poverty when they can't make ends meet either. What's the point in passing that kind of judgement?




what is that judgement what you believe I pass?

That they have it good? neither has it good.

One is in a worse position than the other though. One has a material asset left, the other has none.

I'm not a republican. My empathy increases with the degree of wretchedness the other is going through.

To me a wretched person is not someone who failed, but is someone we all have failed.

My judgement is, who do i help with my last ability?

The one who is worst off.

My judgement is that of the rescue worker with limited meanbs during a disaster, not of the fatcat looking down his nose at people less well off.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Asante]
    #27984818 - 10/06/22 02:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

The judgement that you passed was saying that nobody who owns a car is dirt poor. That is unfair and untrue. Poverty is way more diverse than that, and you shouldn't judge it so lightly.

In reality, if we're talking about saving people, then you don't save the worst off. You save the ones you that you can actually help first, especially when you can't save everybody because your resources are limited. That's the rule in triage. If you waste time on those you can't save, then there will always be more bodies because you wasted time and effort when you could have spent it saving lives. That's what black tags are for in the triage kit, and sometimes, when you're truly fucked for resources, the red tags get treated the same way. You save the yellows and the greens save themselves.

You can't live in a city without being flooded with materialism, and the homeless people in cities have plenty of material shit lying around. There are tents, boxes, and blankets all over the place. One man's trash is another man's treasure, and cities always have more trash than they can get rid of. Cities will often bring in special dumpsters just to throw all the homeless people's shit away, and it's only a minor inconvenience for them since they can just take their shit back out of the same dumpster. I walked through a tent city that had a trampoline in it one time. Homeless people in the city have lots of people to beg from too, and they can always scrape a few bucks together if they're hungry or need some booze or a pack of smokes.

Dumpsters are a blessing for homeless people, and they make pretty decent structures too. You can live in them and use them for storage. I mean damn... some of the dumpsters in the city even get regularly stocked with fresh food. Ever heard of dumpster diving? There's a reason homeless people flock to cities instead of the middle of nowhere. It's way easier to live in complete poverty in the city than it is in the country. There's nobody to beg from when you live in the middle of nowhere, but you still need a car to eat. It's really hard to get a dumpster shipped you the middle of nowhere so you can live in it too. That shit costs a lot of money and it would be absolutely treasured in some of the places I've seen where people had cars. You could sell that for lots of scrap money at the very least.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27985850 - 10/07/22 05:23 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

When you are dirt poor you only have dirt. you arent car poor when you have only pocket sand.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Asante]
    #27988607 - 10/08/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

there are some pretty dirty cars out there.


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Re: Girlfriend Extremely Cheap or Just Dirt Poor [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27989298 - 10/08/22 10:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Your driving an hour plus to put on some air filters?? Really the shlubs at AutoZone will stick an air filter in it for free if you buy it from em. She can pour the seafoam in the gas tank herself when she fills up.


There now you can have her take the train.


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