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High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue?
    #27950942 - 09/15/22 08:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I inoculated a GSB from a MSS back in August when I was first starting out with this. The bag grew well, and got to the point of being ready to transfer to my mono about 2 days ago.

I used a modified version of the Northspore Monotub, but I lack a power drill, so I used a 4 inch coffee can to put 2 holes in each side and stuffed with polyfil.

The Substrate is from Midwest, their bulk cow substrate. It seems like it was vacuum sealed. There was plenty of moisture when I did the field capacity test without me even misting the tub at all. But! I put in a digital monitor to keep an eye on the humidity since I live in the desert, I was concerned it might dry out.

The opposite has happened thus far. I'm reading a consistent 95% humidity (and I risked contam to verify with another humidity reader). I have tried to not open the tub at all, since its in the recolonization phase again (and seems to be happily chugging along).

As this is my first grow, should I be worried about the humidity being so high (I read in multiple sources that humidity should be between 80-90%)? If this is an issue, how can I lower humidity without taking out polyfil or taking the lid off while the mycelium is recolonizing?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27950991 - 09/15/22 09:17 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It's not an issue the humidity can be 99%. Just leave it alone and keep waiting.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69] * 2
    #27951009 - 09/15/22 09:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I risked contam to verify with another humidity reader




thats not a thing


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings] * 1
    #27951108 - 09/15/22 10:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I risked contam to verify with another humidity reader




thats not a thing



I'll try explaining for you since you're new like me and I struggled with those kinds of answers at first^^

If you're using standard substrate such as Coco Coir and Vermiculite, those are specifically chosen for their low nutrient content and therefore don't really contaminate. If you were using something nutritional, that's likely a different story, although that's where my knowledge runs out already.

What gets you contamination is from your spawn. MSS always carry contaminants and therefore it's a highly disregarded practice in this forum. I used it too and people just give you flack for it, but if you can move past that, you can still succeed. An untrained eye won't notice contaminated spawn and even a trained one might miss it, due to the contam being "hidden inside" or something like that.
So basically, MSS to grain = contamination. It can still go very well and I believe it most likely will, if everything is looking good. You also don't have to worry about contamination through opening, because at that point in the process there are millions upon millions of all kinds of bacteria and spores already on an in your substrate, it's just a matter of how healthy your spawn was so it can "win that race sort of deal".
Remember, most of the nutrition comes from your spawn, which is already colonized by mycelium (and bacteria in case of MSS to grain, hence the risk of this practice).

Hope this clarifies things for you a little. If you have any further questions, feel free to message me and I'll keep an eye on that thread =)


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27951172 - 09/15/22 11:14 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not an issue the humidity can be 99%. Just leave it alone and keep waiting.




Awesome, thank you!

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27951174 - 09/15/22 11:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I risked contam to verify with another humidity reader




thats not a thing




I've seen in multiple videos and reading online that you aren't supposed to open the lid on a monotub when the mycelium is recolonizing. That's not a thing?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: BoySage]
    #27951179 - 09/15/22 11:17 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks BoySage! I know that MSS is not well regarded here, but I also did a lot of my work before I found this forum.

We shall see how recolonizing goes. The bag looked healthy, but I do see your point on contamination. Lets hope I get lucky *crosses fingers*

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27951184 - 09/15/22 11:23 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks BoySage! I know that MSS is not well regarded here, but I also did a lot of my work before I found this forum.

We shall see how recolonizing goes. The bag looked healthy, but I do see your point on contamination. Lets hope I get lucky *crosses fingers*



Same here and it seems to be going well so far. Good luck!


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: BoySage] * 1
    #27951229 - 09/15/22 11:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I've seen in multiple videos and reading online that you aren't supposed to open the lid on a monotub when the mycelium is recolonizing. That's not a thing?





nope

did you heat sterilize your tub and spawn it in front of a flow hood? of course not. you did everything in open air, so your sub is already exposed. sterility only matters when inoculating and colonizing nutritious mediums, agar and grain and such

common practice nowadays is to introduce FAE on day one. colonizes a bit faster


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27951534 - 09/15/22 02:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27951794 - 09/15/22 05:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)






nope

did you heat sterilize your tub and spawn it in front of a flow hood? of course not. you did everything in open air, so your sub is already exposed. sterility only matters when inoculating and colonizing nutritious mediums, agar and grain and such

common practice nowadays is to introduce FAE on day one. colonizes a bit faster




Gotcha, I understand now. Thank you for elaborating!

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27953799 - 09/16/22 10:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quick check in for the noob. I transferred the grain spawn to the mono on 9/13. On 9/15 I started seeing myc all over the place, but it was looking a little spikey. This photo is from today (9/16), and the spikes are everywhere.

Is this, by chance, a sign my FAE is too low?


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27953801 - 09/16/22 10:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Quick check in for the noob. I transferred the grain spawn to the mono on 9/13. On 9/15 I started seeing myc all over the place, but it was looking a little spikey. This photo is from today (9/16), and the spikes are everywhere.

Is this, by chance, a sign my FAE is too low?






nah youre alright. my shoeboxes tend to do that and then the Ariel Myc kinda lays down right before primordia start forming. just keep being patient everything is looking alright


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: thetryptkeeper]
    #27953805 - 09/16/22 10:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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nah youre alright. my shoeboxes tend to do that and then the Ariel Myc kinda lays down right before primordia start forming. just keep being patient everything is looking alright




Thanks! Love your pic by the way. I was trying to see if I could find that show to watch the other day and couldn't.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27953807 - 09/16/22 10:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

thank you! and you can find em just gotta look around


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: thetryptkeeper]
    #27973553 - 09/29/22 08:18 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Noob check in. Tub 1 smells very earthy. I see grey patches among the white areas. How is this one looking to a more trained eye? This one was from a millet bag transferred to tub on 9/13.



This is tub 2: It was an All-in-One bag that I transferred on 9/19. Are those pins even though it doesn't appear the substrate is fully colonized?





Thanks for the help in advance.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27973561 - 09/29/22 08:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

First tubs fucked. Second tub isnโ€™t fucked yet.

On second look second tub might be fucked too some of those dark areas look suspect.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973566 - 09/29/22 08:29 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

definitely throw that first one out immediately.  second one looks pretty shot from the pics. Keep at it. Every grower has experienced this at some point.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: TinManUnite]
    #27973575 - 09/29/22 08:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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definitely throw that first one out immediately.  second one looks pretty shot from the pics. Keep at it. Every grower has experienced this at some point.




Ok, so any ideas where Tub 1 got fucked? I need to know what I'm looking at, and if there is something I could have done to avoid tub 1's fate.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27973581 - 09/29/22 08:37 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

My guess is you went spores to grains. Whether thatโ€™s an all in one bag or not thatโ€™s where you likely went wrong.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 1
    #27973582 - 09/29/22 08:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i had a couple successes using spore to grain then a bunch of failures before i learned its more prone to contam.  Now i just do pf tek cause its easy and produces enough for my friends and I.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: TinManUnite]
    #27973583 - 09/29/22 08:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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My guess is you went spores to grains. Whether thatโ€™s an all in one bag or not thatโ€™s where you likely went wrong.




Tub one was MSS to grain. It was when I was first starting out and hadn't discovered this site yet. It fully colonized the grain well, and you can see pics above that it looked pretty healthy at first.

So... I'm assuming that is contam of some sort? Could it be because the sub was too saturated when I mixed it, or that the FAE holes are too high up on the sides of the tub?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973589 - 09/29/22 08:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Tub one is green trich and probably some other issues but definitely tons of green trich


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #27973602 - 09/29/22 08:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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So... I'm assuming that is contam of some sort? Could it be because the sub was too saturated when I mixed it, or that the FAE holes are too high up on the sides of the tub?



its bc you shot spores into a bag. contam begins in the spawn. even if it looks "healthy" to you


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    #27973605 - 09/29/22 08:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thats the worst part about contams. Everything can look fine and then when you think all is fine it just shows up.  If you search โ€œrecognizing and dealing with contaminationโ€ it is a great resource.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild] * 2
    #27973606 - 09/29/22 08:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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definitely throw that first one out immediately.  second one looks pretty shot from the pics. Keep at it. Every grower has experienced this at some point.




Ok, so any ideas where Tub 1 got fucked? I need to know what I'm looking at, and if there is something I could have done to avoid tub 1's fate.



You inoculated a purchased grow bag with a spore syringe and added that to a purchased substrate. The syringe isnโ€™t clean and you have no idea about the preparation of the grow bag or substrate. Could be lots of reasons that you can only speculate on.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27973611 - 09/29/22 08:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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So... I'm assuming that is contam of some sort? Could it be because the sub was too saturated when I mixed it, or that the FAE holes are too high up on the sides of the tub?



its bc you shot spores into a bag. contam begins in the spawn. even if it looks "healthy" to you




Yes, I get it. I've been reading this site now long enough to understand, where I did not in the beginning, that MSS without agar testing is a major no no.

I have since moved into agar testing first, and trying for a clean T3 before I even think of inoculating.

But, I'm sure, even with better techniques now, I will encounter this again in the future. I'm just trying to figure out what the grey areas are, and if (even with better techniques) there is something I did wrong other than the obvious MSS -> Grain bag = BAD.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27973619 - 09/29/22 09:00 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Tub one is green trich and probably some other issues but definitely tons of green trich





Thank you! I appreciate it. This was sadly when I had not yet discovered the wonderful resource this site is.

Hopefully my PF Tek will come out better.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973649 - 09/29/22 09:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Hopefully my PF Tek will come out better.



Much better chance of success.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27973667 - 09/29/22 09:35 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Hopefully my PF Tek will come out better.



Much better chance of success.




I am hopeful. Sadly about half of my PF Tek jars were also straight from MMS.

I tried a shotgun approach to learning all of this tek wise to see what would be best and what would go down. I assumed I would lose about +/-50% due to inexperience at minimum.

Some of the jars appear to have a lot of metabolites in them, so I am worried about contam there too, though the myc is still spreading and some of the jars look almost fully colonized at this point.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27973705 - 09/29/22 09:53 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Keep trying. Post pictures. What BRF tek are you using?

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    #27973716 - 09/29/22 10:01 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Keep trying. Post pictures. What BRF tek are you using?




TBH, I don't know. I bought a premade kit (yes another rookie mistake) that came with supposedly pre-sterilized BRF Jars.

All the myc in them looks white, but the a lot of the centers of each sector(?) are producing what looks like either water or metabolites.

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    #27973740 - 09/29/22 10:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Youโ€™re not the first and wonโ€™t be the last to go the premade route. Post some pictures.
Are you set up to run a BRF grow from the start?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27973773 - 09/29/22 10:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

MSS is fine for PF TEK in fact its a tek tailor made for spore syringes. unfortunately mail-order jars are garbage because the whole tek depends on not disturbing the verm layer so shipping is a deal breaker


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: The Tao]
    #27974414 - 09/29/22 07:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Youโ€™re not the first and wonโ€™t be the last to go the premade route. Post some pictures.
Are you set up to run a BRF grow from the start?




I have the perlite and the fruiting chamber.

These are some of the PF's I'm concerned about. Lots of moisture in there in certain areas.



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MSS is fine for PF TEK in fact its a tek tailor made for spore syringes. unfortunately mail-order jars are garbage because the whole tek depends on not disturbing the verm layer so shipping is a deal breaker




Yeah, I've read that here. That's the next thing I'm planning on learning is how to make my own BRF's and spawn bags. Been running through the threads here to learn, but I don't have all the needed materials yet.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27974492 - 09/29/22 07:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

those jars look ok. remove the foil, its trapping heat and moisture


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    #27975056 - 09/30/22 07:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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those jars look ok. remove the foil, its trapping heat and moisture




Interesting! Should I remove the foil only on the ones that are mostly (80%+) colonized, or on all of them?

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    #27975063 - 09/30/22 07:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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    #27975068 - 09/30/22 07:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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all of them




Thank you! If I inoculate these premade jars in the future, should I keep the foil on until I see growth?

I'm highly considering going out and getting some vermiculite and taking the top layer off the other jars and re-sterilizing them in the pressure cooker again just in case. Think that will work?

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    #27975115 - 09/30/22 08:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Make a filter you trust. There's several guides on it everywhere here.

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    #27975136 - 09/30/22 09:19 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thank you! If I inoculate these premade jars in the future, should I keep the foil on until I see growth?the verm layer is the filter, the foil is just in the way. the jars need to breath

I'm highly considering going out and getting some vermiculite and taking the top layer off the other jars and re-sterilizing them in the pressure cooker again just in case. Think that will work? honestly if youre going to go to that trouble you should just remake the whole jar. theres no replacement for the assuredness that prepping from scratch gives you 




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    #27976366 - 10/01/22 09:19 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm highly considering going out and getting some vermiculite and taking the top layer off the other jars and re-sterilizing them in the pressure cooker again just in case. Think that will work? honestly if youre going to go to that trouble you should just remake the whole jar. theres no replacement for the assuredness that prepping from scratch gives you 







Very true, and it would give me some good practice working on that for the future. I can also just dump the jars, clean them out, and reuse them. I just hate wasting ingredients, but you make a very good point.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27976457 - 10/01/22 10:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so I'm pretty sure Tub 2 is pinning right?

I have FAE with polyfil. Is this the point where I should be cracking the tub lid or wait until they are bigger?

Edit: Or is the PAE from the polyfil enough?


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    #27976465 - 10/01/22 10:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

i say let it ride


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27977224 - 10/01/22 08:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I decided to open it up because I thought I saw something fuzzy in the corner but didn't have a good view on it.

So to show the current progress vs the last time people said Tub 2 was iffy:

Earlier Tub 2 shot:

Shots from today:


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    #27977254 - 10/01/22 09:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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    #27977256 - 10/01/22 09:24 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks Baked :smile:

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27977259 - 10/01/22 09:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Any chance you could take a pic with focus on that bottom left spot?

Could be cobweb, could be nothing - hard to tell (at least for me) from that pic.


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    #27977263 - 10/01/22 09:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Any chance you could take a pic with focus on that bottom left spot?

Could be cobweb, could be nothing - hard to tell (at least for me) from that pic.




Bottom left of which pic? (I know what the orientation of the tub is, so that would help me reorient the pic).

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    #27977279 - 10/01/22 09:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks Baked :smile:

What's up with that fuzzy stuff in the lower left of the first pic from the shots I took today?





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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27977304 - 10/01/22 10:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that's not good.

How fast is it growing?

On the pics, it looks like it's killing the pins that were in there? Can you confirm that from what you see in person?


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    #27977308 - 10/01/22 10:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah that's not good.

How fast is it growing?

On the pics, it looks like it's killing the pins that were in there? Can you confirm that from what you see in person?




I just noticed it today, so I can't tell you how fast it's moving.

There are a lot of little pins in the fuzzy area, I don't know how to identify if they are being killed. What would that look like?

I did notice, pretty much all of the bigger pins you can clearly see are fuzzy at the bottoms.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27977314 - 10/01/22 10:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The fuzzy feet on the pins is quite normal. Could be genetics, could be too little FAE but it's early to tell.

If they get real fuzzy in a day or 2 you might want to increase FAE.

In the mean time, I suggest you keep a close eye on that gray fuzzy zone and monitor how fast it grows. If it does grow, there won't be much you can do beside praying your flush comes in before the tub is overtaken.

You can tell pins are dying/stopped growing (they are called aborts) from the sometimes darker caps but mostly from the fact that they stopped growing (there may be other ways to tell).

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27977321 - 10/01/22 10:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Fun, fun... Thanks for the advice :smile:

Well if this tub goes down that will be the final lesson in don't do MSS to Grain. Thank fully I am on an agar T4 now with another strain that I'm considering getting into a bag when I can get myself an impulse sealer.

If it is cobweb, and is advancing, should I just pick the larger pins and call it a day with this tub?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27977328 - 10/01/22 10:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure, never had that kind on contam. I'm a bacteria pro :rofl2: and this may be mold.

I'd let it ride and try harvest the most I can, picking wisely. Maybe someone else can chime in here.


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    #27977359 - 10/01/22 11:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

in my limited experience with cobweb it seemed like increasing FAE slowed it down and ive read but dont know for sure that its the only mold susceptible to peroxide. you can try opening up the holes near that corner and give it a spray if you want

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Fun, fun... Thanks for the advice :smile:

Well if this tub goes down that will be the final lesson in don't do MSS to Grain. forreal Thank fully I am on an agar T4 now with another strain that I'm considering getting into a bag when I can get myself an impulse sealer.

If it is cobweb, and is advancing, should I just pick the larger pins and call it a day with this tub? you can play it by ear...if it looks like everythings about to be covered yeah pick everybody and move on




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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27977365 - 10/01/22 11:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'll check and see if it is advancing tomorrow. If it is, I'll open up the FAE and mist it with some 3% H2O2 and see what happens.

Aside question: This was one of the two strains I never made back up agar for, because it was from before I started working with agar.

Do you think it would be possible to take an immature pin, and try to clone it via agar? Or does that only work with mature mushrooms?

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    #27977370 - 10/01/22 11:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

you can clone a mushroom from a pin but itโ€™s best to take inner tissue from the mushroom bc inner tissue is inherently sterile, it can be hard to do that from a pin. ripping the mushroom in half like a cheese stick is best for mature mushrooms so depends on the size of the pin


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27977376 - 10/01/22 11:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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you can clone a mushroom from a pin but itโ€™s best to take inner tissue from the mushroom bc inner tissue is inherently sterile, it can be hard to do that from a pin. ripping the mushroom in half like a cheese stick is best for mature mushrooms so depends on the size of the pin




Well, there is a fatty pin in there. It's about 4 mm across on the stem, and I have steady enough hands that I have been doing 2 mm agar transfers. Maybe if it gets to about 6 mm across, I'm pretty sure I could split it and get a small 2 mm sample.

Do you think that will work?

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    #27977379 - 10/02/22 12:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

yeah for sure!! you just wanna make sure you donโ€™t touch the inside & also donโ€™t use anything to cut into it bc by cutting in youโ€™ll drag potential contaminates in from the surface of the stipe. if you can tear it a bit to get to fresh tissue & then use a sterile scalpel to get a little you should be fine


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27977381 - 10/02/22 12:06 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Little pins like that grow extremely fast in that part of their growth cycle. They turn to mycelium in a plate in a matter of a few days and will beat out contams most time.

I stab them with a fire hot safty pin, rip them off the sub, then slide off the safety pin onto a plate with a sterile scale or another flamed safety pin. Then transfer mycelium that grows out from the cap end of the pin on the agar.

But I've done this a lot so it sounds easy to me lol center flesh can be a ton cleaner.


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    #27977389 - 10/02/22 12:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Little pins like that grow extremely fast in that part of their growth cycle. They turn to mycelium in a plate in a matter of a few days and will beat out contams most time.

I stab them with a fire hot safty pin, rip them off the sub, then slide off the safety pin onto a plate with a sterile scale or another flamed safety pin. Then transfer mycelium that grows out from the cap end of the pin on the agar.

But I've done this a lot so it sounds easy to me lol center flesh can be a ton cleaner.




Rumfor, that sounds like it needs a practiced hand at it LOL! I think I'll see if that fatty pin decides to get fatter and go or a center cut.

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    #27977391 - 10/02/22 12:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

ya pins colonize hella fast for sure & i absolutely love taking pins from agar plates if possible. i just try to be as sterile as possible when it comes to cloning & if itโ€™s a last ditch effort coming from a tub w an active contam iโ€™d personally wanna make it as safe as possible but pins are super vigorous on agar regardless, just depends on how willing you are to take chances!

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27977621 - 10/02/22 07:56 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe. But why?

Why make your life harder when you can do it on a nice looking mature fruit?

And with that pin, maybe it was about to grow small and weak, you don't know. Why clone a pin here?


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    #27977630 - 10/02/22 08:00 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Rusty has a good point here. If this is your only clone attempt and you have nothing else going then it'd be best to select a mature fruit that has the characteristics you like.

I have bunches of different cultures and clones and mss things going so I grab pins and plop em on dishes cause I don't care if it works or not. With my main cultures that are the important staple of my work I don't mess around like that.


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    #27977765 - 10/02/22 09:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe. But why?

Why make your life harder when you can do it on a nice looking mature fruit?

And with that pin, maybe it was about to grow small and weak, you don't know. Why clone a pin here?




Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology? It's not quiet a pin, but an immature mushroom? Pins are very small, like only a few mm tall right? This one looks to be a few centimeters at this point.

My only reason for thinking of this, was in case that weird fuzzy area began to take over the tub, since I have no agar backups of this strain. I would prefer a mature mushroom for this to be sure.

But, as far as this morning goes, I don't see the weird area spreading so far, but I also didn't notice any growth from the pins directly in that area either (but it also has only been 8 ish hours since I looked last night).

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    #27977770 - 10/02/22 09:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

just let things play out. you can still get clean tissue from a fruit thats surrounded by mold


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    #27977781 - 10/02/22 09:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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just let things play out. you can still get clean tissue from a fruit thats surrounded by mold




Agreed. Mostly this was a hypothetical conversation. Mostly I was just curious if it could be done, more than any desire to do it. :smile:

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    #27979211 - 10/03/22 09:14 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so some update photos. I don't think that weird area is spreading, but I also don't see a lot of growth in the pins in that area. There is also an area where pins don't really seem to be growing in the opposite area of the tub.

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    #27979215 - 10/03/22 09:17 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

lets focus on the positives...all ya need is one fruit, and i see several ones


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    #27979227 - 10/03/22 09:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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lets focus on the positives...all ya need is one fruit, and i see several ones




I'm just happy I have gotten this far, so far. This is the furthest I have been down this track. :smile:

Edit: Especially considering I kind of messed it all up in the beginning with noob-ness.

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    #27979242 - 10/03/22 09:37 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yep this is win really. There's not much at all you can do really to help or fix anything. The goal now is to take some prints or swabs. And clone a bigger fruit from a cluster to agar or a brf puck.


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    #27980778 - 10/04/22 07:49 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I'll take a win where I can. So, just so I know, these suckers are getting quite long, but the stipes look thick. This means I have proper FAE right, or do I need to take some polyfil out?



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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27980822 - 10/04/22 08:19 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't worry about having a little velvet on the stipes as long as you're maintaining ideal surface conditions.  I have a couple cultures that do that to some extent no matter how much FAE I give them.

I would wait for that cluster in the middle of the pic to mature a bit more and take clones from the biggest fruit in it.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27980837 - 10/04/22 08:29 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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they look happy




Thanks Baked :smile: I'm a little worried about trying to fit them in mason jars in the future without cutting them down a bit.

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I would wait for that cluster in the middle of the pic to mature a bit more and take clones from the biggest fruit in it.




Yeah, I was watching that cluster too for the same intent. How much more time do you think it will be until they are ready to pick? Should the tops flatten out a little more?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27980894 - 10/04/22 09:23 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Look under them with a little compact mirror. I use a dental mirror. Then you can see if the veils are starting to tear or micro tear.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27981006 - 10/04/22 11:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

If it's your first flush, I say let them open up a bit so you can get spore prints out of them as well as clones.  For future flushes where you don't care about prints harvest them while veils are still attached so they will store alot better.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27981285 - 10/04/22 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Look under them with a little compact mirror. I use a dental mirror. Then you can see if the veils are starting to tear or micro tear.




I ended up using a very shiny butter knife :laugh:

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If it's your first flush, I say let them open up a bit so you can get spore prints out of them as well as clones.  For future flushes where you don't care about prints harvest them while veils are still attached so they will store alot better.




I was out of the house for a few hours and came back and 4 of them have already broken their veils. I harvested the big one from that cluster and took 3 live samples from inside and have the cap sitting now for a spore sprint.

The biggest one so far was 5 inches long and 14.5 g. In all the times I have tried mushrooms in the past, I have never seen them this big. Is this normal?

I've put the ones I harvested into a paper bag in the fridge. I got a big mason jar, but I need to order desiccants for it. I have a drying kit I will prolly throw them into.

What I was wondering is this: Seems the babies grew up at wildly differing speeds. Should I also weight for the veils to tear on the other 80% before I harvest? What should I do with the little ones that still look like they are growing slowly? I should pick the aborts now, right?

I need to get a fine mister. The sub is looking a bit dry in certain places.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27981371 - 10/04/22 03:03 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

id print these for posterity/trades/giveaway,

maybe im spoiled by now, but I dont see cloning material here,

no interesting fruits, nor particular clusters

throw the dice again?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27981465 - 10/04/22 03:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Just wait for the others to reach that same veil torn ripeness. Sometimes you gotta wait a little beyond that for spores to drop on a print but that varies depending on genetics or variety. The aborts can be plucked off and if they're not rotten they can be dried and consumed also. An adjustable spray bottle from the automotive section in Walmart works just fine. As long as you're not blasting the surface directly the spray falls like from up higher. I lay 2 towels on the floor beside eachother, place the tub on them in the center, spray misty water from about waist high. Spray bottle makes your arm feel like it's gonna fall off lol An adjustable spray 2 gal pump sprayer might be worth trying can always return what you dont like.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27982398 - 10/05/22 08:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Well, over night the majority ripped their veils and I harvested them this morning.

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id print these for posterity/trades/giveaway,

maybe im spoiled by now, but I dont see cloning material here...




I know they aren't overwhelming, based on a lot of pics from peoples sigs. Mainly I did the cloning transfer to get practice at it for the future.

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Just wait for the others to reach that same veil torn ripeness.




There are about 10-ish that are still growing up right now. So just wait for them to get to just starting to rip their veil, then harvest? Should I just go ahead and harvest all the aborts now while I wait for the ones that are still growing up?

I'll try to get a pic of the tub today, now that you can see the bottom again with all the ones I harvested gone now. I forgot while harvesting and getting them ready for drying.

BTW, I would like to say thank you to everyone who helped me on this. I know I'm just a noob with the same 50 billion questions you all have likely answered 50 billion times before, but thank you none-the-less. Your work is greatly appreciated (and I get it: on other topics, and on other sites I have been in your shoes).

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27982405 - 10/05/22 08:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27982409 - 10/05/22 08:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

@echo

Yep just wait then harvest the same. Yes pluck the aborts now and as long as they're not rotten or moldy they're good to dry out and consume also.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27982463 - 10/05/22 08:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Yep just wait then harvest the same. Yes pluck the aborts now and as long as they're not rotten or moldy they're good to dry out and consume also.




So here is a pic of the tub. I noticed while inspecting closer, there are tons of tiny aborts. Or? Are these the start of a new flush? Pick them anyways, just in case, yes?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27982475 - 10/05/22 08:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm Yeah you might have lots of little pins in there that are getting started. I don't see a lot of aborts I don't think.

Check the surface conditions link in my sig. You want your surface to look like those pics in there. I can't see if yours does so just compare to that thread. Put a couple towels down side by side set the tub on them and mist from waste high up so it falls gently and collects into beads till it looks like the pics in that thread. Then dont mist again till it needs beads again.


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27982514 - 10/05/22 09:22 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see a lot of aborts I don't think.




Hmmmm.... I must have a misunderstanding of what aborts look like then (I'll see if I can search a visual reference here after I post this post). I thought they were pins and/or immature mushrooms that stopped growing.

Some of those "aborts" have been around a while I think, and never really grew up. Should I just give them a few days and see what they do?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27982517 - 10/05/22 09:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Do the misting like I said before get the surface conditions like in that thread. Then watch them closely to see if they start growing. They might just be dry and going super slow which means they would abort, but proper surface conditions may save them...may


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: rumfor69]
    #27982527 - 10/05/22 09:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Do the misting like I said before get the surface conditions like in that thread. Then watch them closely to see if they start growing. They might just be dry and going super slow which means they would abort, but proper surface conditions may save them...may




Yeah, I'm going back and forth with the thread you recommended, and looking for photos of aborts (cause my mind this morning doesn't want to focus very hard it seems). Aborts have black heads, right? That's what I'm seeing in the photos I have found so far.

The current water sprayer I have sucks, so I misted the sides of the tub to try to raise the humidity while I wait to get a better mister, to follow your steps you previously outlined.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27984225 - 10/06/22 08:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, got a better mister, and am following your instructions, surface conditions are looking better. I'm misting 2x per day for now, checking to make sure the surface conditions look less dry, then I will back off to misting only when needed.

Also, someone asked for pics of my PF Tek grows a bit back, here are pics from this morning:



I have 2 more mono's up and running now. They are from LC I made a while back from 2 different strains from T2 clean agar transfers. Guess we will see how they go. When I QC'ed the LC's on agar, they came out clean, so I'm hopeful.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #27985978 - 10/07/22 07:52 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The mono has been cleared of flush 1. Here are some pics as the tub looks now. How is this looking to you all? Misting still as rumfor explained.




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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009423 - 10/21/22 02:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So... I didn't want to make yet another thread of asking Q's about my mono tubs, so I'm just going to place this here cause I don't know where else to place it.

This is tub of Creeper. It was MS -> Agar -> T3 -> LC -> Millet spawn bag.

I mixed it 1:1 with a cow manure sub (trying to get rid of the last of my bought subs before I start making my own).

If I'm remembering right, mixing 1:1 gets quicker colonization and growing, but fruits tend to be smaller, yes?

Also... in this tub I have noticed that there is a lot of uneven pinning happening (a decent amount of side pinning too cause I forgot the liner *Doh!*). This tub doesn't seem to be retaining moisture as well as my 3:1 GT tub, likely cause this was my first tub I made and I borked the FAE holes (and I live in a desert).

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009435 - 10/21/22 02:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

How bad did you treat that myc to get all that massive bruising?

Quoting someone: "1:1 can cause mutations, 1:2 is a waste"

If your spawn is clean, go 1:3 at least (some here to up to 1:10)

MSS grow (even if you cleaned on agar) is still a roll of the dice. You can get a full canopy or very few fruits. Try clone a nice one from that grow (from a cluster ideally) and use that (the cleaned myc from the clone) for a better looking tub next time


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009441 - 10/21/22 03:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

the fruits may be smaller bc of less water content in the sub at 1:1 but it shouldnโ€™t be too extreme. maybe someone else has more info than i on that

if youโ€™re getting side pins itโ€™s usually because surface conditions are off. you can avoid side pins without liners, liners just help but arenโ€™t the end all be all of getting rid of side pins. i donโ€™t use them & get little to no side pins first flush

there may be more going on there but it looks like the myc is bruised around the polyfill holes & that leads me to believe itโ€™s getting a little too dry in areas


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: Rusty2096]
    #28009453 - 10/21/22 03:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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How bad did you treat that myc to get all that massive bruising?

I've had to keep misting it... it dries out like 2x a day. No droplets on the surface at all. So I mist it from 3ft up as others have suggested, but even that seems to be leading to the bruising just spreading.

If your spawn is clean, go 1:3 at least (some here to up to 1:10)

Yeah, I've been using 1:3 on my other tubs, I just was trying to use up the last of the bought sub. My other tub that is 1:3 is rolling along nicely.

MSS grow (even if you cleaned on agar) is still a roll of the dice. You can get a full canopy or very few fruits. Try clone a nice one from that grow (from a cluster ideally) and use that (the cleaned myc from the clone) for a better looking tub next time

Yeah thats become my goal with this tub. Try to find a nice cluster and clone it. When you said MSS... did you mean LC? I started with MSS, but I made an LC after T3. Someone else here said that would be less of a crapshoot?





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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009462 - 10/21/22 03:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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if youโ€™re getting side pins itโ€™s usually because surface conditions are off. you can avoid side pins without liners, liners just help but arenโ€™t the end all be all of getting rid of side pins. i donโ€™t use them & get little to no side pins first flush

there may be more going on there but it looks like the myc is bruised around the polyfill holes & that leads me to believe itโ€™s getting a little too dry in areas




I've had to mist this one 2x a day, so I think the bruising is a combo of drying out, and me trying to rehydrate it. I made the FAE holes too big I think (or the poly isn't packed tight enough?)

I mist from 3ft up.... but the bruising just keeps spreading. I know the surface conditions are a bit fucked... I don't need to mist like this with my other tubs. They all seemed to maintain surface conditions well on their own, and I didn't need to mist them at all (but they were all also 1:3).

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009480 - 10/21/22 03:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

When I said MSS I meant MS (multi-spore), my bad. Doesn't matter if you went to agar and/or LC, it's still MS, just more likely to be clean.

Edit: Before your next grow, I'd duct-tape the fuck out of those huge holes, and make new ones, waaaaaaaaay smaller - so you can add/remove micropore tape as needed (poly-fil is for stuffed toys IMO)


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    #28009483 - 10/21/22 03:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i would say itโ€™s more that the poly isnโ€™t packed right enough. iโ€™ve never used poly for tubs (i use this design to good success) but if itโ€™s drying out you need to pack it tighter. you can also try layers of micropore tape over the holes, pasty has another older write up on that somewhere on here but itโ€™s pretty self explanatory

the fact that the bruising is more around the holes leads me to believe itโ€™s from drying out rather than misting. i use a fine mister (itโ€™s a hair salon style mister) but as long as the drops arenโ€™t too aggressive you shouldnโ€™t see much bruising from misting like you are. the lack of substrate in comparison to your other tubs can mean less water & moisture over all too, it may be compounded with the size of holes/not being packed tight enough. bad surface conditions are gonna lead to weird pin sets & side pinning


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: Rusty2096]
    #28009496 - 10/21/22 03:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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When I said MSS I meant MS (multi-spore), my bad. Doesn't matter if you went to agar and/or LC, it's still MS, just more likely to be clean.

Edit: Before your next grow, I'd duct-tape the fuck out of those huge holes, and make new ones, waaaaaaaaay smaller - so you can add/remove micropore tape as needed (poly-fil is for stuffed toys IMO)




Good to go. Looks like more cloning in my future :laugh: Thank you Rusty!

TBH... I think I'm just going to get rid of this tub when all the flushes are done. It was my first attempt at making a tub, and I didn't have all the supplies/knowledge I needed. New tubs aren't expensive, and I have since learned how to make tubs with better spaced and smaller holes.

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    #28009499 - 10/21/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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i would say itโ€™s more that the poly isnโ€™t packed right enough. iโ€™ve never used poly for tubs (i use this design to good success) but if itโ€™s drying out you need to pack it tighter. you can also try layers of micropore tape over the holes, pasty has another older write up on that somewhere on here but itโ€™s pretty self explanatory

the fact that the bruising is more around the holes leads me to believe itโ€™s from drying out rather than misting. i use a fine mister (itโ€™s a hair salon style mister) but as long as the drops arenโ€™t too aggressive you shouldnโ€™t see much bruising from misting like you are. the lack of substrate in comparison to your other tubs can mean less water & moisture over all too, it may be compounded with the size of holes/not being packed tight enough. bad surface conditions are gonna lead to weird pin sets & side pinning




Good point..... I'm going to see if I can pack in some more poly for this tub, see if that helps with the hydration. I'll likely get rid of this tub when the Creepers finish what ever they can muster, and buy a new tub and not make the FAE hole mega huge.

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    #28009513 - 10/21/22 03:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yeah the huge hole polyfil stuffed design is a little antiquated imo. check out that link in my last post if youโ€™re looking for modded tub designs, the pasty EZ dial is so primo. just 12 1/4โ€ holes strategically placed on the tub, cover with micropore if it gets too dry having the holes fully open

also, you can maybe salvage that tub if you cover your large holes with duct or clear packing tape. my 50qt mono was my old SAB, i just covered the arm holes with duct tape inside & out & drilled the pasty style holes into it. works great & thatโ€™s saves ya tossing a tub & buying a new one


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    #28009526 - 10/21/22 03:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah the huge hole polyfil stuffed design is a little antiquated imo. check out that link in my last post if youโ€™re looking for modded tub designs, the pasty EZ dial is so primo. just 12 1/4โ€ holes strategically placed on the tub, cover with micropore if it gets too dry having the holes fully open

also, you can maybe salvage that tub if you cover your large holes with duct or clear packing tape. my 50qt mono was my old SAB, i just covered the arm holes with duct tape inside & out & drilled the pasty style holes into it. works great & thatโ€™s saves ya tossing a tub & buying a new one




Yeah, when I was first making this one it was based on what I had seen in YT videos + I had no way to melt the plastic with anything smaller than a coffee can (which I have since remedied). Thanks for recommending pasty's tub, I saw that one a bit back and new tubs are going to be designed that way (I think they will work better in my climate).

Maybe I'll give the tub to a friend I think may want to grow also, but fix it up for them first.

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    #28009529 - 10/21/22 03:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yuuuup, youtube cultivators tend to be way behind on their tek & methods. some are good, yoshi amano & munchauzenโ€™s channel come to mind, but so many are just blindly following 2008 tek lol

that would be very kind of you! itโ€™s nice to not totally waste a tub if you donโ€™t have to


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009551 - 10/21/22 03:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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that would be very kind of you! itโ€™s nice to not totally waste a tub if you donโ€™t have to




On second thought, I think I'll just patch it up and keep using it. I'd rather start my friend off right, not with my busted hand me down.

Edit: Question that just occurred to me I forgot to ask. Harvesting side pins, can it be done without hurting the myc too much? Or should I just let them go and see if they ever manage to break the surface?

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009658 - 10/21/22 05:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

iโ€™ll sometimes let side pins grow up past the top of the sub (if it looks like thatโ€™s the way they are growing) & just rip them off, but youโ€™ll have to take the sub if you wanna carefully cut them out


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009684 - 10/21/22 05:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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iโ€™ll sometimes let side pins grow up past the top of the sub (if it looks like thatโ€™s the way they are growing) & just rip them off, but youโ€™ll have to take the sub if you wanna carefully cut them out




Awesome :smile: I was curious because one of the side pin clusters is flibbin HUGE. I swear there are at least 15 maturing fruits in one small area. I wanted to see how well they grew out, maybe take a clone from them.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009687 - 10/21/22 05:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i kept thinking casing... casing casing casing..

but then i was only thinking it, because it probably dried out

And you're not supposed to need a casing


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #28009696 - 10/21/22 05:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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i kept thinking casing... casing casing casing..

but then i was only thinking it, because it probably dried out

And you're not supposed to need a casing




I stuffed about 3x more poly into each FAE hole. Hopefully that helps it retain moisture.

That poor myc looks like I've been berating it and telling it that its a bad myc for weeks now :laugh:

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009712 - 10/21/22 05:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

What is the grain:coir ratio here?

Edit: who cares. holes suck for cubes!

make less hole, too much fae, waste


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009716 - 10/21/22 05:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

in the future, iโ€™ve found you can minimize/eliminate side pinning without a liner by compressing the fuck out of your tub after spawn & keeping surface conditions proper

the added poly should help! make sure to mist if you notice any areas that donโ€™t have beaded water (though keep in mind, once myc dries out it mats & doesnโ€™t hold water the same, so if itโ€™s not beading up but seems excessively wet in a prior dry spot that may be why)


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #28009746 - 10/21/22 05:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What is the grain:coir ratio here?

Edit: who cares. holes suck for cubes!

make less hole, too much fae, waste




Yep. This was my first attempt at making a mono. I fucked it up quite a bit on the holes.

And just to answer your first question: It's 1:1. I was trying to use up the last of the bought sub I had before I start making my own.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009750 - 10/21/22 06:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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in the future, iโ€™ve found you can minimize/eliminate side pinning without a liner by compressing the fuck out of your tub after spawn & keeping surface conditions proper




I was just reading through a lot of the old posts that said compress it too. One more thing I learned from YT (not to compress) that goes on the heap of outdated knowledge.

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009755 - 10/21/22 06:06 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

For cubes if you have the correct grainspawn:coir ratio, which you a lot of the time have to adjust for cube genetics, a GT will accept anything and produce a shoebox canopy on 1:2 or 1:3 or 1:1, a PE will require the compressed and the extra layer. Thats how you add water.
Why do you add water?

Because when you get good genetics, they are ALLLLLLLLLWAYS 99/100 of the time WATER THIRSTY. They want that perfect water.
They want it from the sub, they want it from the casing.

This can mean humidity and FAE too, but thats too much right now.

what it mean initially, is:

enough coir and water

either through the sub itself
always conditions
your "misting"

But primarily from: Not drying out above casing level.
Having enough water below casing level

Think about it, it makes sense.

for the genetics you displayed here, that dried out imo,
it needed either a biggger amoutn of coir when spawned,
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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #28009759 - 10/21/22 06:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Think about it, it makes sense.

for the genetics you displayed here, that dried out imo,
it needed either a biggger amoutn of coir when spawned,
or a casing




Yeah, I agree. This was just me testing, learning, making mistakes, rinse and repeat.

Part of it was this needed coir because of the low spawn/sub ratio (but I was just trying to use up what I had on hand). Part of it is I live in a low humidity environment. Part is that I screwed up my FAE holes.

I get it, I'm tracking :smile: Next time I won't make these mistakes :smile:

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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009763 - 10/21/22 06:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i recently saw a youtube video that recommended not to compress the sub at all, just absolutely baffling lol. i put my full body weight into packing the sub with my lil flat tool thing (i always forget what itโ€™s technically called) & i get great pin sets with little to no side pinning

youโ€™re probably best off forgetting absolutely everything you learned from youtube tbh.

like small talk said, lower sub to spawn ratios mean less water to maintain good humidity in the tub & less water for fruits. 1:1 is doable usually but you really gotta keep an eye on it or it dries out really fast


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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: echochild]
    #28009765 - 10/21/22 06:18 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Think about it, it makes sense.

for the genetics you displayed here, that dried out imo,
it needed either a biggger amoutn of coir when spawned,
or a casing




Yeah, I agree. This was just me testing, learning, making mistakes, rinse and repeat.

Part of it was this needed coir because of the low spawn/sub ratio (but I was just trying to use up what I had on hand). Part of it is I live in a low humidity environment. Part is that I screwed up my FAE holes.

I get it, I'm tracking :smile: Next time I won't make these mistakes :smile:




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Re: High Humidity in Monotub - is this an issue? [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28009770 - 10/21/22 06:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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youโ€™re probably best off forgetting absolutely everything you learned from youtube tbh.

Yeah... so much info to unlearn....... it hurts my head at times.

like small talk said, lower sub to spawn ratios mean less water to maintain good humidity in the tub & less water for fruits. 1:1 is doable usually but you really gotta keep an eye on it or it dries out really fast




Yep, thats been my main lesson on this tub. I should have put a casing on it with such a low ratio

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    #28009791 - 10/21/22 06:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

you got it next time chief :thumbup:


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