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May have removed cakes too early?
    #27948549 - 09/13/22 06:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Hello, I may have removed my cakes too early. They looked to be fully colonized when they were in the jars (sat for about 5 weeks). One jar even had a mushroom growing in it.

I took them out and put them in a fruiting chamber. They may have been dried out as the humidity was around 80%. They sat in that chamber for roughly 8 full days with constant day light. 80% humidity, 71 Degrees.

I have since created a more enclosed container for them to fruit in with the humidity sitting around 92% consistently, 75 Degrees. It's been two days now. Are there any thoughts on whether I should put the cakes back in the jars and continue to colonize? They looked like they were covered in the mycelium "strands" but I didn't see the real "fuzzy" growth that I've now seen on other posts. I do see some "fuzzy / bulbous" mycellium growth on the bottom of the cakes. Sorry for the ignorance. Any advice is much appreciated!







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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948568 - 09/13/22 06:42 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Hmmm... I can't really tell for sure but they should still produce fruits albeit more slowly.

I think all the open space in your FC might be slowing things down somewhat too. Cakes seem to like very small FCs. That's why you were getting fruits in the jar. The tight space created the perfect environment for pins to pop.

Hopefully you'll get some fruits soon. Did you cover the cakes in anything or fruit them as is? Seems like a coating of Verm or coir will help keep the myc properly hydrated and pin better.

I've seen others have this issue and will be fruiting my next batch of cakes in fahtlocs Ziploc bag FCs. That will hopefully create a good environment. I've seen others use small plastic containers also. Seems like the smaller the FC the better.

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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco] * 1
    #27948644 - 09/13/22 07:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948652 - 09/13/22 07:38 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I wouldn’t try to put them back in the jars if I were you. Did you skip the soaking process entirely? I submerge and soak mine overnight and then roll in a fine coat of verm to ensure they are properly hydrated.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: fiddle_head]
    #27948737 - 09/13/22 08:41 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn’t try to put them back in the jars if I were you. Did you skip the soaking process entirely? I submerge and soak mine overnight and then roll in a fine coat of verm to ensure they are properly hydrated.



This threw me off aswell, because all I ever read was dunking for 24 and rolling in verm. Also it looks a bit dry, check this out.

As I understand it (keep in mind that I'm very new myself) pinning is induced by water evaporting off the surface of the mycelium, hence you need a good combination of moisture on the surface!! (much more important than what moisture levels are around your cakes) and FAE (fresh air exchange).

Hope this'll help. Too inexperienced to offer any concrete advice at this point, sorry. Good luck!


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948750 - 09/13/22 08:53 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

If you skipped the dunk and roll you’re going to have a harder time with these. If you can bottom water these then do so. If not, pile some verm on top of your cakes and heavily mist them. Give them a real good mist until the verm is hydrated. Then move your cakes closer together.

It would be a very good idea to switch to a water tub as someone else suggested. A SGFC can work, but water tubs are way better.

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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948752 - 09/13/22 08:54 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah the first thing I noticed was you didn't mention the dunk step.  The cake needs to be submerged then rolled in verm before you put it in the fruiting chamber.  Did you skip that step or just forget to mention it?


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948764 - 09/13/22 09:01 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

If you didn’t dunk then the lids the cakes are in are perfect for bottom watering.
The chamber looks dry to me but you’ve put them in to a smaller one which should be easier to maintain. I’ve never bothered checking humidity. You’ll get a feel for it. Temperature is fine.
The cakes are protected from outside contaminants while they’re in the jars. Once they’re out they’ve been exposed so there’s no advantage to putting them back. If you did birth too early they’ll finish in the chamber. Time to be patient.
Cakes look good to me.
Post a picture of the new chamber.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: The Tao] * 2
    #27948782 - 09/13/22 09:15 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Appreciate the advice. I never dunked after birthing the cakes. I must’ve received wrong info. When to say the jars lids are perfect for bottom watering. Do you simply mean pouting some water in the lids?

I have created a new chamber that the cakes can be closer together. I will also be purchasing more verm.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948790 - 09/13/22 09:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yeah you add water to the lids to allow the cake to soak it up. They're thirsty. My question for someone who's more experienced is, shouldn't they just go ahead & dunk & roll them now instead of bottom watering?


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: CJD]
    #27948792 - 09/13/22 09:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Yeah you add water to the lids to allow the cake to soak it up. They're thirsty. My question for someone who's more experienced is, shouldn't they just go ahead & dunk & roll them now instead of bottom watering?



They could, but if I birth a pinning cake I tend to go to fruiting right away for those first fruits. Bottom watering is effective if you skipped the dunk and roll.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #27948796 - 09/13/22 09:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Yeah you add water to the lids to allow the cake to soak it up. They're thirsty. My question for someone who's more experienced is, shouldn't they just go ahead & dunk & roll them now instead of bottom watering?



They could, but if I birth a pinning cake I tend to go to fruiting right away for those first fruits. Bottom watering is effective if you skipped the dunk and roll.




So if a cake is pinning you go ahead & skip it as well?  Just go straight to bottom watering? I haven't had this scenario yet so want to know what to do in that case. & then for a second flush do you then dunk & roll?


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948801 - 09/13/22 09:35 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Are you out of vermiculite?


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: CJD]
    #27948811 - 09/13/22 09:44 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I don’t birth a cake until I see small pins. Dunk and roll then put the cakes in the FC. I wait for a day before misting the cakes, seems to help the vermiculite stick better.
Subsequent flushes get a dunk but not a roll.
That’s me, there are different ways that work. Guidelines rather than rules.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: The Tao]
    #27948835 - 09/13/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Even if you did take them out early, they will continue to colonize in the fruiting chamber. What I’ve learned from the couple cake grows I’ve done is, always leave them past what you think is full colonization. They should come out hard as a rock and intact, that’s when you know they truly consolidated. Also skip the SGFC unless you’re doing bulk pf tek grows. Overall the SGFC is one of the most outdated and waste of time chambers to have been conceived


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: The Tao]
    #27948839 - 09/13/22 10:02 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I don’t birth a cake until I see small pins. Dunk and roll then put the cakes in the FC. I wait for a day before misting the cakes, seems to help the vermiculite stick better.
Subsequent flushes get a dunk but not a roll.
That’s me, there are different ways that work. Guidelines rather than rules.



OK thanks for the info.  Didn't mean to hijack your thread Infinco.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: CJD]
    #27948847 - 09/13/22 10:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Alrighty,

I created a smaller chamber…poured water in the lids for some bottom watering and I’ll be rolling in verm once I get some more. Should I bottom water until I see the cakes getting that fuzzy look and then just keep misting until fruiting? I

Also, any recommendations on how often to light the cakes? I’ve just been simply turning off the daylight bulb when I got to sleep.


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Re: May have removed cakes too early? [Re: Infinco]
    #27948852 - 09/13/22 10:10 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Lighting is generally 12 on 12 off


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