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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #27800838 - 05/31/22 08:50 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: leroM]
    #27804521 - 06/03/22 05:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #27873304 - 07/22/22 06:47 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thank you for this information and everything looks great

I’m just a little confused on casing. So you basically added more substrate to the top?  Is that a form of casing?  Because to me it’s just… more substrate.  Casing would be, in my opinion, verm and peat , or coco coir and verm,… something non-nutritious.  Also, how did you know the sub was all colonized under the 2 quarts of “casing”?

Not trying to cause any uproar here, but I sure do get confused with casing because one person calls it this and another that. 

Any help would be great in helping me advance my understanding… thank you!!!

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: RapidRoy]
    #27905295 - 08/16/22 07:55 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Thank you. Helped me get the second flush to come through

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: zak69]
    #27925488 - 08/30/22 09:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Here are my melmac bags. I opened the filter patch as vent today (bottom half the filter)


Should I waited till I see pins 1st before I open for little FAE?

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: ComebackKid]
    #27946680 - 09/12/22 10:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Great write up :thumbup: thanks for the info.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27946799 - 09/12/22 12:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Here are my melmac bags. I opened the filter patch as vent today (bottom half the filter)


Should I waited till I see pins 1st before I open for little FAE?





Well it panned out for me

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27947207 - 09/12/22 05:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Time is a powerful tool. That took 13 days, Congrats!

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: cooleko]
    #27947565 - 09/12/22 09:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hey! Not sure if people are still actively giving advice here, but I figured I'd give it a try... just read through the entire thing and still got some questions remaining, but thanks for the great post... really clarified a lot for me!

Here's my tub (spawned to fruiting Aug 30th):
Sept 10th

Sept 12th

Sorry for the misalignment :flowers:

Poly is pretty tightly packed, but you can see from condensation on the sides that it's letting in air. Additionally, the lid (shut throughout) seems to let a decent amount of air in from the corners as can be seen by condensation pictures:


Question: This was mentioned, but not really elaborated... is some of the mycelium "reaching" for air and should I take this as a sign to start loosening the poly and/or cracking the lid?

Surface conditions looking good to me, plenty of beads and decent colonization progress (almost 14 days in now). Sub:Spawn was around 4:1 with "standard" bucket tek (650 Coir/2 qt Verm/1 cub Gypsum/4,5 qt Water).

I'm pretty new and my first tub seems to be failing, probably due to conditions relayed in thsi thread. Would really like for my 2nd grow to go a little more smoothly and therefore appreciate the help! Thanks in advance!


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: BoySage]
    #27947571 - 09/12/22 09:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure if it's juste the picture (you said there was a lot of water beads) but I can't see any. It does look dry to me.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27947575 - 09/12/22 09:56 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure if it's juste the picture (you said there was a lot of water beads) but I can't see any. It does look dry to me.



Really? I see it in both pictures if I zoom in, but in the "condensation pictures" with the flash going in through the sides it's pretty visible even without zoom. Or am I getting something completely wrong here?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: BoySage]
    #27947578 - 09/12/22 09:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Idk maybe I need an eye doctor. I zoom in and can't find a single one when there should be thousands.

Those "water beads" should be on the surface. You are not talking about the side walls of the tub here right?


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27947582 - 09/12/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Idk maybe I need an eye doctor. I zoom in and can't find a single one when there should be thousands.

Those "water beads" should be on the surface. You are not talking about the side walls of the tub here right?



Maybe my camera is just shitty... dunno, but this surely shows the "reaching for air" part:


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: BoySage]
    #27947585 - 09/12/22 10:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Oh wonderful now I see em. Sorry really couldn't see em on the first pictures.

So I think you are right. Maybe the myc is reaching for air (but it really doesn't look that bad).

Some people (including me) like to have some holes lower (just above the substrate) and some higher (as high as possible).

What this does is naturally occurring FAE: fresh air coming in from the lower holes helping the co2 created by the myc at the bottom of the tub escape by hole located higher.

I realize this isn't something you can change at this point for that growth but maybe consider it for a future one after hearing from more people chiming in.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27947596 - 09/12/22 10:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Oh wonderful now I see em. Sorry really couldn't see em on the first pictures.

So I think you are right. Maybe the myc is reaching for air (but it really doesn't look that bad).

Some people (including me) like to have some holes lower (just above the substrate) and some higher (as high as possible).

What this does is naturally occurring FAE: fresh air coming in from the lower holes helping the co2 created by the myc at the bottom of the tub escape by hole located higher.

I realize this isn't something you can change at this point for that growth but maybe consider it for a future one after hearing from more people chiming in.



Alright, thanks! I've caught up to that by now, but tubs are already built. The 2 on the short sides are actually higher than the other ones, but too far off the substrate... I realize that =/

Is it worth the effort to go buy another tub at this point (got 1 more bag to use up) or do you think it'd be alright to continue with this?

You said it "doesn't look that bad", so no cracking the lid or dialing in with removing poly? Just leave as is and wait for pins to form? I understand (from reading through all of this) that once pins have formed I should definitely increase FAE as mentioned, correct?


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Edited by BoySage (09/12/22 10:22 PM)

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: BoySage]
    #27947600 - 09/12/22 10:27 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Your tub is looking good overall.

Personally I would wait and leave as is for now and see if that "reaching for air" myc worsen. If it does, turn the lid upside down or offset it a bit.

Don't forget to show us the pins and fruits when these babies show up :cheer:

Edit: don't overthinking this. The OP is pretty old. It's a very good write up but now many cult just spawn straight to fruiting conditions so generally no need to change FAE at any time (well of course except if you start seing a lot of myc reaching for air.


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27947602 - 09/12/22 10:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Your tub is looking good overall.

Personally I would wait and leave as is for now and see if that "reaching for air" myc worsen. If it does, turn the lid upside down or offset it a bit.

Don't forget to show us the pins and fruits when these babies show up :cheer:



Will do for sure, thanks! I wanted to document this sucker thoroughly, because I seem to have messed up on my first tub, you can check it out here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=27935960&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: BoySage]
    #27947791 - 09/13/22 05:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I think it looks good and is ready. I would lossen the polyfil & give her more air, but it looks good.
I think you will have pins anyway. Looks fully colonized and the myc is reaching, water beads on surface. It looks good.
I'd say it's ready. I think it would probably fruit just fine the way it is.

Good job on your 1st ones

Plus some people don't even modify the tub at all. Or the lid. So I think your sitting pretty.
Just give it time. I'd lossen the poly if it was me tho.

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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Hobbit GDF]
    #27948005 - 09/13/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I think it looks good and is ready. I would lossen the polyfil & give her more air, but it looks good.
I think you will have pins anyway. Looks fully colonized and the myc is reaching, water beads on surface. It looks good.
I'd say it's ready. I think it would probably fruit just fine the way it is.

Good job on your 1st ones

Plus some people don't even modify the tub at all. Or the lid. So I think your sitting pretty.
Just give it time. I'd lossen the poly if it was me tho.



Alright, great! This is what I was thinking as well, just wanted some confirmation. Thank you very much good sir!


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Re: Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE [Re: Rusty2096]
    #27948021 - 09/13/22 10:31 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Your tub is looking good overall.

Personally I would wait and leave as is for now and see if that "reaching for air" myc worsen. If it does, turn the lid upside down or offset it a bit.

Don't forget to show us the pins and fruits when these babies show up :cheer:

Edit: don't overthinking this. The OP is pretty old. It's a very good write up but now many cult just spawn straight to fruiting conditions so generally no need to change FAE at any time (well of course except if you start seing a lot of myc reaching for air.



Thanks man! Yeah I did read through the entire thing and I mean ENTIRE so I got that :wink:
I did spawn straight to fruiting, but packed the poly a little more tightly, because my first tub seems to have some issues with moisture. I taped up the holes and that one and it took forever to colonize. Put in polyfill after 3 weeks and that got the process going and I believe it took so long for lack of air and lost some moisture during that time, because the lid on my tubs doesn't seal well.
Just put it outside and turned the lid, will keep an eye on the mycelium and adjust accordingly. Thank you for your input!


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