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Mushroom ID - South Australia
    #2794306 - 06/15/04 10:22 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hi all :wink:

I'm a bit of a beginner to this, and need a bit of help IDing some mushrooms a friend picked today... I made him to leave me one to try and figure out if they were safe.



They were growing in medium density eucalypt scrub with some cleared grassy patches in the Adelaide hills. The spore print there isn't the best, I'm leaving it over night to try and get a better one but it seems to be a chocolate brown colour on close inspection.

They stained to a blackish colour within about 10 minutes of handling and continued to darken over the next hour to a uniform black, maybe with hints of blue but it's hard to say. They probably measured 2-3cm across the caps and up to 10cm high. The colour on top of the cap was a tan/fawn colour but quite rich, almost gold, although that darkened a lot as well after they were handled. The smell was a stronger, damper version of what common edible mushrooms smell like, but a little more musty... I think damp is definately the best word. The stems were slightly fibrous and hollow, and when squeezed there was a bit of clear liquid. Caps were quite smoothly curved but with a noticable point or nipple.

Thanks in advance! :smile:


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2794510 - 06/15/04 11:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)


im no expert but they look like a psilocybe to me

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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
    #2797800 - 06/16/04 03:41 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

*bump* :wink:

Anyone else have thoughts?


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2797807 - 06/16/04 03:46 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yehmmmm,,, can you get some close ups on the bruising?
It seems to be a sub....but i seem not to be too sure ....


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: Merkin]
    #2797833 - 06/16/04 04:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Closeups of the stem bruising. The first picture was after light handling, the last about half an hour after I squeezed the stem.



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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2797866 - 06/16/04 04:21 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

And heres a better photo of the spore print, at different exposures :smile:



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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2797875 - 06/16/04 04:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yep that looks like one of the locals. I would make sure u see some definate bluing before u eat it tho. how many did u get?


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: tryptonite]
    #2797910 - 06/16/04 04:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think my mate got about 30 or 40. I made him leave me the one the pictures are of, to identify... but I think I'll keep it if it turns out to be a psilocybe :wink:


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2797927 - 06/16/04 05:29 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think that is a Psiloybe..

The bruising looks black, not blue.. anyone else?


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: Mothershabooboo]
    #2797934 - 06/16/04 05:34 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i said it on bluelight, and i'll say it again... i don't think it's a psilo... i've only ever found ONE subaeruginosa which hasn't bruised an obvious blue, and it was found in the bush underneath a fern on eucalypt mulch - and was in very poor condition.

arrr i can't believe 2 of you guys said "it seems to be a sub"... i know some people would eat a mushroom based on such an ID :\ not safe!


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: jimbu]
    #2797970 - 06/16/04 06:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well I can see blue on the stem...


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2797985 - 06/16/04 06:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'd have to say, it COULD be a sub, but it's one of the most iffy ones i've ever seen, and as such, i'd leave it alone. It looks a lot too purple for my likings, and the stem I would say is too thin for how long it is.

On closer inspection i'm almost certain it isn't a sub.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: Hardicus]
    #2797997 - 06/16/04 07:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the info, I'll pass it on. What colour would you expect the spore print from a subaeruginosa? The 2nd print I took from this one is clearly a rich chocolate brown.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2798008 - 06/16/04 07:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

it looks like a sub to me, but the bruising is a bit strange. Also have you got any photos of the top of the mushroom, i'm no expert and subs do vary but to me that cap looks a bit off. It would have been better if you had the rest of the shrooms to photograph, it could be just this one mushroom that looks strange.

Is the stem shiny-like at all? The subs i found had shiny stems.
The surest way to identify it is to check for blue bruising and make a sporeprint, just cut the cap off and place a white piece of paper under it, leave it for a few hours so that there is a strong spore print (not just a faint one) if it is a dark brown/violet-purple-ish colour and it bruises blue i reckon it's a sub.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2798028 - 06/16/04 07:23 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

get the other 39 shrooms you picked back from your friend and post some pics of them up here for a more definite answer


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: haunted]
    #2798038 - 06/16/04 07:31 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Unfortunately I haven't picked anything myself or I'd be able to supply more info... I'm just trying to make sure my friend doesn't eat anything poisonous at the moment.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2798195 - 06/16/04 09:19 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well you wont be ultra sure, so just tell your friend to lend them to you so u can have a more definite answer for the sake of staying safe.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2798236 - 06/16/04 09:41 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

id say thats a sub, most mine have white stems with blue stains only the occasional off-few have brown stems like that.
Those photos are weird, on the close up of the stem i can see red and purple?? maybe its just me though
on the second photo it looks like the caps margin is staining the paper blue :smile:
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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: OOISI]
    #2799841 - 06/16/04 06:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah on the spore prints, the edges of the cap has stained the paper a violet blue colour in places...

I'll have to try and get some more photos.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2800909 - 06/17/04 12:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

so is the spore print purple? if so thats a good sign


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: tryptonite]
    #2801258 - 06/17/04 03:29 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'd say it's brown, maybe a really dark violet tint but not obviously purple. Where the edges of the cap touched the paper though, it stained deep blue.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2803622 - 06/17/04 10:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

do u mean the cap stained blue or the sporeprint? if there is no obvious bluing on the mushrooms I reccomend throwing them out


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: tryptonite]
    #2804523 - 06/18/04 04:40 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The actual sporeprint had blue stains where the cap touched the paper, and the mushroom itself stained what I could only describe as a dark colour... could be black, could be blue, could be dark brown. I wouldn't confidently say it was blue.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2804528 - 06/18/04 04:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

it all seems a bit iffy. Theres a really good chance it's a sub, on the other hand it might be an undiscovered species of poisonous mushroom that will kill you in a slow and painful way if you eat it. Until you get the other mushrooms and have a definite indication of blue staining and a brown/purple spore-print i wouldn't risk it.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2804566 - 06/18/04 05:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I can see blue,green on the stem on one of the pics but am unsure if thats just the picture or not. Also about the blue on the print i think the margin stained blue.The stem looks like it has a lot of mottling and (what i beleive to be) oxidized psilocybin or it could just be a shadow.
If you at least had 2-3 mushrooms and a shot of the cap, its existence as a sub or not would be confirmed.

no one really can confirm anything so you just have to wait i guess


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: OOISI]
    #2810405 - 06/20/04 04:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Seeing what my mate found has put me in the mood to go hunting, so after a few days searching, I found these in some low density native scrub in the adelaide hills... They are the same species as the previous pictures I posted, or an identical one at least :wink:

There was varying degrees of light but definite bluing almost immediately after picking on the stems, and the outer ring of the caps went a vivid blue, same as the last photos I put up. The stems seem to be darkening to a black brown colour quite quickly though, so I think maybe that was what happened with the last pictures as well.

This is a bit of a collage of relevant pictures... (sorry about the large file)



This is a closeup straight after picking showing the faint bluing on the upper stem. Some bruised a bit more strongly than that, but the stems only bruised in smaller patches. The cap edges and tops stained deep blue.



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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2810407 - 06/20/04 04:39 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

That's a sub no doubt, good stuff.


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: sniff]
    #2810750 - 06/20/04 10:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

those are much better pics. Some nice typical SA specimens there good find :thumbup:. Did any of the ones ur mate find blue obviously like these?


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Re: Mushroom ID - South Australia [Re: tryptonite]
    #2810765 - 06/20/04 10:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure actually, but the one I got off him had the same kind of bluing round the ring of the cap, it was a bit harder to notice though. The stems on some of these ones bruised a deep inky blue black after a few hours :smile:

I'm planning on heading back that way next weekend, I found these just as I was turning back to go home :wink:


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