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 Spiders love my nat tubs for some reason...
 Finally got some of the robin's egg speckling on the caps I wanted for a clone but the culture was shit. Took prints and kept trucking. Sure wish I didn't throw out my beauty culture last year. Big regret. @AK - love those little thuds you got going on. 
Gorgeous! This is art 🥰
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm]
#27941992 - 09/09/22 01:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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BlueAndOrange said: So I’m getting pins, but not a lot. Any thoughts about this shoebox taking off?

One of my tubs did that. Mine gave me a few at first then the next flush was a canopy. 3rd flush was lacking as well. Waiting to see if flush 4 is better. Hopefully they do better for you than mine did in that tub. I'm not complaining 2.6oz dry was fine for 1 tub.
2.6oz dry per tub would be amazing for me. I’m doing shoeboxes and would love half that!
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Pollyastex said:
But unfortunately, i have some bad luck with growing Nats. I LOVE how resilient and aggressive myc is. I have no problems when working on agar or when transferring in bulk. But it saddens me how little i get out of them. I am not aiming at those crazy amounts you guys get (all respect!) since i am mostly microdosing and mini-dosing (0.5-1g) but 3-5g dry in total from shoebox size tub seem little to me. My agar plates are clean, spawn is also healthy. But when i put it to bulk and when they colonize, which also looks healthy, they simply produce very little shrooms. Some tubs don't even produce anything except tons of overlay - and i have tried everything you guys tried about that - spraying, bubble tek, fork tek, turning cake upside down in tub.. .
So far, i used: agar: LME, agar, nutritional yeast -> PC 25min spawn: Rye - 16h soak, simmer -> PC 2h Sub: Coco coir + verm, trying different ratios (spawn:sub 1:2 - 1:5) Pseudo casing (from 0,5 in to 2 in), no pseudo casing Room temperature is between 23 - 25 degrees Celsius RH in box is 90-95%
Pictures bellow are just few examples of agar transfers, spawn and bulk. I made over 30 agar plates and 10 tubs with more or less same results - everything is fine except fruiting.
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Spawn

Colonizing bulk

And fruits

I will never forget when i read from someone: perfectly looking agar plates can be useless if they don't produce. And you can only find that out when putting to bulk.
I will also try using horse manure (in pellets form) since i saw some of you have good results. But again, i think problem in my case are genetics.
If anyone can PM me some trusted vendor based in EU i would really appreciate it. I think i have to start from ground zero - spore print.
I think its indeed genetics most likely. From what did you start this culture? print?
I had luck in the past with hard to pin genetics to clone a pin from a ms plate and expanding from the fruiting body. Or clone some of the few fresh fellas that did grow.
Dont know of any EU vendors selling nat prints unfortunately. But people do giveaways in the marketplace here quite often. Knowing this community a bit you probably already got a print offer from someone ^^
Good luck, and may the godly pinsets be with you!
Edited by Infinity-25 (09/09/22 02:34 PM)
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alaskappalachian said:
 Spiders love my nat tubs for some reason...
 Finally got some of the robin's egg speckling on the caps I wanted for a clone but the culture was shit. Took prints and kept trucking. Sure wish I didn't throw out my beauty culture last year. Big regret. @AK - love those little thuds you got going on. 
Alaska, how nice to see you!
Hope you are well
Great looking NATS, didn't even know that was a pheno.
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BlueAndOrange said:
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Bigworm said:
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BlueAndOrange said: So I’m getting pins, but not a lot. Any thoughts about this shoebox taking off?

One of my tubs did that. Mine gave me a few at first then the next flush was a canopy. 3rd flush was lacking as well. Waiting to see if flush 4 is better. Hopefully they do better for you than mine did in that tub. I'm not complaining 2.6oz dry was fine for 1 tub.
2.6oz dry per tub would be amazing for me. I’m doing shoeboxes and would love half that!
I'm using 27qt tubs. I believe is mainly a height difference which means you stand a chance to get around there.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: DERRAYLD] 1
#27942696 - 09/09/22 09:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Going out to a river and a tent tomorrow. Full moon. Planning on 5 gram start followed by whatever feels right...once in a labradoodle fur blanket.
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san pedro guy said: Nats are the future! I had a 2g tea and I’m 100% off of cubes now.
for me, Cubes were sometimes like a dark cave with 2x gravity, nats are like being in bright lush meadow, wrapped in a labradoodle fur blanket
...in a labradoodle fur blanket.
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Hmm, that's going to be great.
It's warming up here, can't wait to go camping and Nats.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm]
#27943161 - 09/10/22 05:45 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Bigworm said: I want to do a Nat print giveaway but when I'm doing prints and I lift the cap the print is peeling off with the cap. I have a couple that came out fine but I also have a few that printed very light. I missed my last set because I got to them after the spore drop in the tub.(what a mess). I'm thinking I should do swabs instead of prints. Any suggestions on how to stop the print from peeling? I don't have this problem with any other print I have done.
Sounds like your caps are dehydrating too much, causing them to stick to your printing media and lift the prints when you pull them back.
Are you covering the caps with something (i.e. a glass cup/jar/casserole dish) or keeping them enclosed in something to lock in the humidity (i.e. unused tub/SAB) and prevent them excessively drying out?
Experienced this issue in the past with other prints and it stopped when they were kept enclosed during the process.
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Yes I put them in my SAB, and cover with a glass bowl. I've seen people put a drop of water on the cap to stop them from dehydrating too much but I don't want to add any mode for contaminates to get on the print so I don't do that. No biggie, swabs work just as well.
Now for the 4 gram trip report. I did acid tea tek again with 4.25g dry of the snakes. I didn't think it was possible but not a hint of anything negative! I felt like I was a child living my best life. I felt so comfortable and happy. Everything was just fun and magical. Music was like it wasn't being played for my ears but for my soul and it was beautiful. My wife has a pile of pillows on the floor that she calls her lounge. I got on the floor and just sank into them. I had some OEV but not much but the CEV were so beautiful(almost DMT like) I didn't care about the OEV. If I blinked really fast it was like the CEV came to the open eyed world. I had good tracers/trails which I really like seeing. I went out to smoke some weed with my wife and look at the sky. The stars were dancing and I felt like I could hear for miles. It was just so damn comforting. I ate a bit of food and my taste was elevated as well. We have maple whipped cream that tasted like I was eating the best waffles in the world when I ate it. Anyway I love cubes for what they helped me with but these Nats are simply amazing. I think I found my sweet spot with these. I might be stopping cubes from now on, and sticking with these. It's so pure and clean with no darkness at all. I gotta get the wife to try them. Good luck to everyone struggling to get these growing and keep at it, they are worth it! To everyone wanting to start but are unsure of they are good, stop wasting time and get started! For the ones who have been working on these since the beginning, THANK YOU for helping spread the spores! I will give spores away every time I grow these. Everyone should be able to try these. Have a wonderful day.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Bigworm]
#27943415 - 09/10/22 09:19 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Bigworm said: Yes I put them in my SAB, and cover with a glass bowl. I've seen people put a drop of water on the cap to stop them from dehydrating too much but I don't want to add any mode for contaminates to get on the print so I don't do that. No biggie, swabs work just as well.
Now for the 4 gram trip report. I did acid tea tek again with 4.25g dry of the snakes. I didn't think it was possible but not a hint of anything negative! I felt like I was a child living my best life. I felt so comfortable and happy. Everything was just fun and magical. Music was like it wasn't being played for my ears but for my soul and it was beautiful. My wife has a pile of pillows on the floor that she calls her lounge. I got on the floor and just sank into them. I had some OEV but not much but the CEV were so beautiful(almost DMT like) I didn't care about the OEV. If I blinked really fast it was like the CEV came to the open eyed world. I had good tracers/trails which I really like seeing. I went out to smoke some weed with my wife and look at the sky. The stars were dancing and I felt like I could hear for miles. It was just so damn comforting. I ate a bit of food and my taste was elevated as well. We have maple whipped cream that tasted like I was eating the best waffles in the world when I ate it. Anyway I love cubes for what they helped me with but these Nats are simply amazing. I think I found my sweet spot with these. I might be stopping cubes from now on, and sticking with these. It's so pure and clean with no darkness at all. I gotta get the wife to try them. Good luck to everyone struggling to get these growing and keep at it, they are worth it! To everyone wanting to start but are unsure of they are good, stop wasting time and get started! For the ones who have been working on these since the beginning, THANK YOU for helping spread the spores! I will give spores away every time I grow these. Everyone should be able to try these. Have a wonderful day.
afterglow seems to be massive  enjoy, mate. thanks for sharing!
all the reports coming in about the heightened sensations of love and euphoria already during the trip make me wonder if it could be possible that the concerned serotonin receptors could be activated but not entirely flooded by psilocin leaving capacity for elevated amounts of serotonin being produced?
maybe somebody with a better understanding of brain chemistry could chime in?
4g of strong cubensis and i am visually tripping and i mean very powerful OEVs for hours. haven't had an opportunity to try the natalensis for real.. soon!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] 1
#27943573 - 09/10/22 11:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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My nats are fruiting slowly but they’re fruiting. Taking some colonized grain jars and expanding them G2G. If my experiences are like the ones described by everyone I may be done with cubes as well.
Beautiful reviews and trip reports.
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Adas
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27943774 - 09/10/22 01:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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chris77 said: all the reports coming in about the heightened sensations of love and euphoria already during the trip make me wonder if it could be possible that the concerned serotonin receptors could be activated but not entirely flooded by psilocin leaving capacity for elevated amounts of serotonin being produced?
maybe somebody with a better understanding of brain chemistry could chime in?
As somebody who understands brain chemistry a bit, no, that's not how it works. Your question doesn't even make sense from neurochemical perspective. The most likely explanation is that there's probably some other compound modulating the high.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas]
#27943794 - 09/10/22 01:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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well, that doesn't come as a surprise.. my knowledge of brain chemistry is zero, but thanks to psylocibin i am very interested to change this and learn more so you suggest that there is another compound creating this high (but it would still have to do with serotonine in one way or the other no? are there many neurotransmitters that create feelings of happiness? i only remember dopamine and melatonine which is a hormone iirc).
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27943843 - 09/10/22 02:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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No it doesn't have to do anything with serotonin. Or any of the commonly known neurotransmitters even.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] 3
#27943935 - 09/10/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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My theory has been aegueriscin or whatever, I can never remember how it’s spelled.
But there’s ONE species known to have a lot of this chemical in it, and during the experiments there was ZERO negative trips, just a lot of euphoria. Sounds a lot like natalensis has lower but still significant levels of it, or something similar.
Second flush coming in, and strangely there is mold growing in the droplets. So I guess that means they’re not the contam fighting metabolites.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 2
#27943991 - 09/10/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: My theory has been aegueriscin or whatever
Second flush coming in, and strangely there is mold growing in the droplets. So I guess that means they’re not the contam fighting metabolites.
Ditto. I'm fairly committed to this theory. Btw that's so weird about those metabolites. Nat mycelium is soooo contam resistant. Hell just today I observed Nat myc I'd mixed with contaminated Fiji myc eating the aspergillus encrusted grains of the Fiji. I bet there's a wealth of beneficial or interesting compounds in the myc and metabolites both. @smalltalk_canceled good to see you too, bud! You've been really getting after it 🤙
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77] 2
#27944071 - 09/10/22 05:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Until very recently, researchers and "big pharma" were associating depression with low levels of serotonine. It's now been proven that there is 0 correlation.
We (we as in world collective knowledge) don't not know how anti-depressant work on the brain as of today. And we know less about psylocibin than let's say SSRIs.
No one knows. NO ONE.
We all can only speculate for know.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Rusty2096]
#27944204 - 09/10/22 06:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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That is interesting the mold is growing directly on top of the metabolites, I've seen that once with reishi. I'd guess the metabolites are most or only effective against bacteria...which would make sense since that's where most antibiotics come from.
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