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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #27934927 - 09/05/22 07:38 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

It reminds me of that dork I saw selling 15$ swabs of his cross of “Rusty White (sic) x AA+” despite the fact that Rusty Whyte is AA+ x CRS :lol:.

We could jazz this list up with some pictures, kind of like this older thread.


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: KROM] * 1
    #27934941 - 09/05/22 07:47 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Nice list. I like KROM’s idea of pictures. Especially for the more popular varieties. Thanks for the write up.

Faht’s FP+ seems to be missing as well.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27749576


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LtLurker] * 3
    #27935247 - 09/05/22 11:47 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Variety lore and history is fun. I definetely like the thread idea and am right with you on a little spot to hold some info.

But here's where i'm gonna risk being a prick or maybe elitist(?) and it goes right along the lines of the premium spores clown mentioned already. Is it good to include people and varieties like
Premium Spores- Renames varieties without any known work put into them and charges double any normal vendor, pretty blatantly it seems. I'm pretty confident in this one after spending some time looking into his stuff. I'd be shocked if any were true creations  and...
MycoMagic- Correct me if I'm wrong here, but i think this is the guy(or atleast one of them) that makes random crosses between totally normal cubes most the time, and will sell spore from the first 2 generations or so with a new name and pitch despite not doing nearly enough generations to stabilize any sort of genetic trait in his little spore mix. Even the stuff crossed with lucy, pe, other recessive parents, is just normal looking F1's or F2's that you might get a few random mutants from now and then.

The whole naming varieties without doing the work to try to hit a certain pheno and stabilize it(or new location for the wild hunters) just erks me alot as a grower and fan of varieties. People like Pasty with his Rusty Whyte project over months making that double recessive cube with yellow tinted stalks(sweet touch), and Workman creating APE a ways back and it's so famous it doesn't really need a description; they really put in alot of work and time to make something right and held it back till it was stable enough to really share and stay what it is. It's just a completely different level and I hate to see their work sitting equal with the guys spending more time on sales pitches and names than the actual genetics.




I guess it's a toss-up which is worse or more disingenuous, but the weed scene seems rampant with this kind of shit now, too. Simple 4-way crosses promoted as new strains, mislabeled barely acclimated landrace strains grown out from one random source given the flashiest name someone can come up with, etc.

When I first saw the thread title, I was worried it was going to be a bunch of woo-woo shit like "this one's good for ptsd" or whatever. I was relieved to see that it was just a grounded list of where the fuck all these bits of word salad originated.


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LulzSwag]
    #27935826 - 09/05/22 05:41 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Wow, impressive list. Will be following this thread as it develops.

Agree pic's would be great (noob here)


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: Nextcontestant] * 1
    #27935926 - 09/05/22 06:48 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Wow, impressive list. Will be following this thread as it develops.

Agree pic's would be great (noob here)




Just getting that list together is a lot of work. If OP needs to add pics, I'm afraid we will have to pay him for the colossal work :laugh2:


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: Rusty2096] * 1
    #27936115 - 09/05/22 08:27 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Nextcontestant said:
Wow, impressive list. Will be following this thread as it develops.

Agree pic's would be great (noob here)




Just getting that list together is a lot of work. If OP needs to add pics, I'm afraid we will have to pay him for the colossal work :laugh2:



If we post images of pheno's we're pretty confident are ideal or most likely for a variety, then he'd only need to copy pasta our image link from comment if he wanted to use it. Could be tedious at times but it's not like he needs to find and upload his own image.


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LtLurker] * 3
    #27936418 - 09/06/22 12:03 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

What I know about PEU aka LPEU or APEU By Workman aka Sporeworks

PEU, APEU, and LPEU are all the same variety with different labels. They're descended from the same branch of the APE project's phenos that got stabilized. Somehow we wound up with 3 different labels along the way and I guess people stuck with the name they were given.

-Far as I could find the Original name was PEU. It's a result From crossing PE and PF Albino.
-APEU makes the least sense. It's leucistic(Not albino) and it's not a decendent of APE, it's like a brother cause they have the same parent varieties.
-LPEU is more accurate than APEU I suppose but idk when or why someone added the L.

They're the same pheno far as i've seen and not like the original pheno anymore. I've grabbed this 4 times from different people and tried each label, trying to find the og Pheno that's far more like PE in appearance. I've not seen a PEU grow that looked like the pheno in the original photos in my time here that I can recall. I think this means the alternate names popped up after a revert problem had occurred and a new appearance became dominant & stable for PEU.

Original PEU Pheno


Variety of PEU, LPEU, and APEU labeled spores from my grows that show what I've seen for the last couple years for this variety. Tried to cover couple angles, stages of growth, labels, and variance within the pheno(like pigment content or nipple size)


Larger Mushroom. Leucistic. Denser than average Stipes(sometimes solid, typically just less hollow than average cube), Large Pronounced nipple that typically bruises by maturity, occasionally gives a tanner pheno(more cap pigment) that still shows the blue/green bruising nipples.

Reference for workmans first generations of APE and PEU.


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LtLurker] * 4
    #27936912 - 09/06/22 09:31 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

In other hype beast mushroom marketing news, I saw someone looking for a cube called “Bluey Vuitton” today :rofl:


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: KROM] * 2
    #27936913 - 09/06/22 09:32 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I'm done


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: Guerrilla] * 2
    #27937212 - 09/06/22 12:52 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I believe the 'Xilo' on your list is supposed to be Xico as in Xico, Mexico


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LulzSwag] * 3
    #27937399 - 09/06/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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APE (Albino Penis Envy)
Albino PE, apparently originated from Sporeworks and/or Shroomery user Workman, some say APE is a cross of PF Albino x PE and others say it is an albino iso of PE, an albino PE iso is most credited as correct



I just noticed this. There's no debate about APE being from PE x PF Albino Cross. We have the threads. It's not a stabilized Albino PE from natural occurrence or chance, or an iso as you call it.
PF Albino and Penis Envy Cross Breeding (updated 6-5-06 with F3 picture)
White Penis Envy - First look
Albino Penis Envy APE 1.0

And there was an APE 2.0 with PE x Falbino started later on. I'm pretty sure modern APE is from 1.0 since it was being shared when he started the second. Maybe an OG user will correct me on this since i'm not really 100% sure, only info I see is this thread going to F3 with it and thread ends.
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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LulzSwag] * 1
    #27938018 - 09/06/22 11:38 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Great list, and pics would be great for noobs like me.


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #27953670 - 09/16/22 08:57 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

FWIW


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: CowsPoopShrooms] * 1
    #27953808 - 09/16/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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FWIW: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15670901



That's amazing man! Thank you for sharing. I'm pretty new and immediately wondering if there's more like this out there. Any idea?


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: Southerner]
    #27953809 - 09/16/22 10:54 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I don't doubt that there are


Edited by CowsPoopShrooms (10/14/22 07:02 PM)


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LulzSwag] * 1
    #27953929 - 09/17/22 02:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

This is an incredibly helpful thread for people like me who are just learning about strains and their genetics.
The only thing I’d add would be a description of the experience as some sites do describe them, in addition to the differences between the cross genetics.
The pictures idea is genius, but this one is the cherry on top! Thanks, OP!


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: RoatanMush] * 2
    #27953950 - 09/17/22 03:01 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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The only thing I’d add would be a description of the experience as some sites do describe them, in addition to the differences between the cross genetics.





There are several reasons why this would essentially be meaningless at this level of resolution, the main one being how much variation we see from one spore print to the next, and even from one squirt/scrape to the next.


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: B Traven] * 1
    #27954079 - 09/17/22 07:14 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Saved for future reference, nice work
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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: LulzSwag] * 1
    #28018790 - 10/27/22 07:30 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

super informative, thanks


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Re: A Huge List of Psilocybe Cubensis Variety description [Re: Pickle Rick]
    #28028930 - 11/02/22 03:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Many thanks for this list!! Super helpful!


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