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Re: Second experiment preparation [Re: Rusty2096] 1
#28000197 - 10/15/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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SymPlayTon said: Awesome! Ty! I grow peppers every year, and usually make hot sauce, pickled peppers and pepper pastes.
I love me some pepper jam on biscuits.
Pics or it didn't happen 

Here is a jar of pickled saranos, and a saran habanero paste. The hot sauce never lasts long.
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Re: Second experiment preparation [Re: wazmo] 1
#28000318 - 10/15/22 12:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Just finished putting in the new 30kV capacitor bank (5x 2nF caps) and testing it. Charged up to 20kV, one big spark ... and nothing more. Caps failed shorted.

I think that the multi-layer ceramic capacitors just aren't up to the high pulse currents in this application.
I'll be going back to the mylar film capacitors I had been using at 15kV and ordering 9nF worth of new big 30kV film capacitors. These I can run at 20-22kV and should survive the pulse currents.
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Second experiment: tubs too dry? [Re: wazmo] 1
#28004258 - 10/18/22 07:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I'm noticing that the one quart tubs in the SGFC are looking dry, and aren't colonizing as fast as the closed shoeboxes that I made with the same spawn ratio.
I've misted them almost daily, but think I may need to close them up more to colonize.
Their lids fit very tightly, so I just set the lids on top of the tubs for now until I figure out what to do. Of course, I have to cut slits in the edge of the electric tubs to pass the wires through.
Would it be better to punch holes in the lids and cover the holes with micropore tape (or stuff with fiberfill), then snap them down to retain the moisture?
Would it help to pour a measured amount of water into each?
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Re: Second experiment: tubs too dry? [Re: wazmo]
#28004272 - 10/18/22 07:26 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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If you have propre surface conditions, u don't usually need to mist if you spawned to sub that was at field capacity.
You can flip the lids if you need more FAE, and close em tight if there is too much evaporation (ie: you need to mist daily) .
Don't over think this. Let em do their thing
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Re: Second experiment: tubs too dry? [Re: Rusty2096]
#28004451 - 10/18/22 09:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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there are many articles on lightning helping mushrooms grow. https://physicsworld.com/a/artificial-lightning-strikes-encourage-growth-of-shiitake-mushrooms/ https://phys.org/news/2010-04-lightning-mushrooms.html
i've also heard it could be the nitrites?nitrates produced in the air when lightning strikes.. since experimenting it might be worth a try to have a box with high voltage sparks in the air, but not touching the box at all, and of course have to have a control box which has no sparks.
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Re: Second experiment: tubs too dry? [Re: Rusty2096]
#28008986 - 10/21/22 08:56 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Rusty2096 said: If you have propre surface conditions, u don't usually need to mist if you spawned to sub that was at field capacity.
You can flip the lids if you need more FAE, and close em tight if there is too much evaporation (ie: you need to mist daily) .
Don't over think this. Let em do their thing 
Good advice. They are doing their thing; they've all started pinning and are about even right now. I'll begin zapping them to see if it makes a difference.
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Re: Second experiment: tubs too dry? [Re: wazmo]
#28009331 - 10/21/22 01:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Experimenting with pulsed high voltage [Re: wazmo]
#28009881 - 10/21/22 07:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Can always spot someone from the north when they keep calling chiles “pepper”. What do you call your pepper?😜
The wifey & I have an elaborate chile garden out back and grow super hots like reapers. We also grow the super mild chiles like jalapeños because we love the sharp & sweet flavor. Habaneros are too fruity tasting for us.
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Re: Experimenting with pulsed high voltage [Re: Suckatshrooms]
#28009916 - 10/21/22 08:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So you have a pepper garden?
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Re: Experimenting with pulsed high voltage [Re: Suckatshrooms]
#28009917 - 10/21/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Suckatshrooms said: Can always spot someone from the north when they keep calling chiles “pepper”. What do you call your pepper?😜
The wifey & I have an elaborate chile garden out back and grow super hots like reapers. We also grow the super mild chiles like jalapeños because we love the sharp & sweet flavor. Habaneros are too fruity tasting for us.
Sweet peppers or bell peppers
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Re: Experimenting with pulsed high voltage [Re: Rusty2096]
#28012083 - 10/23/22 07:58 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Experimenting with pulsed high voltage [Re: Rusty2096]
#28012494 - 10/23/22 01:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Sweet peppers or bell peppers
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Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: wazmo]
#28025794 - 10/31/22 09:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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wazmo said: Good advice. They are doing their thing; they've all started pinning and are about even right now. I'll begin zapping them to see if it makes a difference.
Well, after the first flush (which kinda took me by surprise) there's no statistically significant difference in the yield of the electric vs. non-electric side. This difference from the shoebox experiment may be because the shoebox took longer to colonize and got more zaps while doing so.
So clearly I have to repeat this at the shoebox scale (now that I've got shoebox growing happening more reliably). I will try to do this in mid-November and post the results.
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Re: Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: wazmo]
#28025856 - 10/31/22 10:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: Rusty2096]
#28051905 - 11/14/22 11:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Wouldn't you experience some kind of electrolysis in the moist substrate, and start forming HHO Brown's gas as a result? As in, the splitting of the water back into hydrogen and pure oxygen gas near the electrodes might bubble its way up to the surface?
AFAIK, using pulsed frequencies might even increase the efficiency of electrolizer cells.. Haven't looked into it in awhile.
I know what I came to shroomery to do, and that is study electro culture and mycology.
Mad experiments like this are right up my alley! 
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Re: Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: wazmo]
#28052047 - 11/15/22 02:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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wow very cool experiment, I think it can be a good idea to maybe use a gradient, so have a tube with several nsulated compartments, so you can see if there is a sweet spot maybe it's a grow signal or fries viruses so you might want to do another test with contamination present and see how the current effect the competition between the diferent taxa. maybe it wrecks bacteria I bunny but I think things with sell wall and networks can handle pulse better than bacteria and yeasts? maybe similar to like how varying temperature can select for diferent things when you heat up and or freeze, kind of like how the immune system uses a fever to get rid of a bacterial or viral infection. What do fungi do? when do we find good mushrooms in the wild? In the eastern parts of south Africa people say there is more of the big edible one after a thunderstorm. so maybe it's a signal so one zap is enough to signal good fruiting conditions.
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Re: Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: PsillySeeEms]
#28052892 - 11/15/22 03:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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PsillySeeEms said: Wouldn't you experience some kind of electrolysis in the moist substrate, and start forming HHO Brown's gas as a result? As in, the splitting of the water back into hydrogen and pure oxygen gas near the electrodes might bubble its way up to the surface?
AFAIK, using pulsed frequencies might even increase the efficiency of electrolizer cells.. Haven't looked into it in awhile.
I doubt that there's much gas creation, as both the energy and duty cycle is very very low. According to Wikipedia, a typically efficient (that is: intentionally engineered) electrolysis requires 180MJ/kg of H2. My pulses are currently 2.7J every ~10 seconds. So that would put an upper bound of 15µg of H2 every pulse, and there's not that much water available in the substrate anyway.
So I don't think that's a significant phenomenon in my case.
The current theory is that the electrostatic (mechanical) force breaks hypheae, which encourages fruiting.
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Re: Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: wazmo]
#28053156 - 11/15/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Ya I wouldn't think it would create much either, but I can only imagine there would be some output of gas, even if just a minuscule amount..
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Re: Second experiment: no difference between electric and non-electric [Re: PsillySeeEms]
#28088283 - 12/08/22 07:43 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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saw some HPLC testing of cubensis that were exposed to electricity, reminded me of this thread here
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Re: Initial results [Re: wazmo]
#28119690 - 01/01/23 06:54 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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Have you ever tried using variable amounts of electricity in different voltages/amplitudes etc in order to get some sort fo response from the mycelium? I know electricity would be running through the mycelium but the voltage may be too low to detect. If you could nail things down enough you could essentially control how the mycelium produces fruit bodies and possibly even alter it in a way to produce extraordinarily massive mushrooms or different forms/shapes etc which could bring a whole new branch of mycology. I've always had thoughts of using electricity or even magnetic fields in order in influence growth but I've always thought of it in very small voltages to match the native electricity of the mycelium. If a strong enough magnet is introduced it itself would induce a very small current within the mycelium which could effect the different cells of hyphae and could possibly lead to a type of mushroom type cancer where a group of cells break off into their own dielectric network separate from the host being. But it could also be so weak it has no effect but we will see! once i get my tek down and my living situation a bit more stable i will definitely be doing some of these tests and look forward to sharing my research with the people of this site
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