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She's got some toe out and it pulls to the right on the highway.
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christopera said: You are welcome to ignore that 85% of Ukrainians want to join NATO.
Uhh, yes, that is exactly what you did.
What would you like me to say about it? How about... that number doesn't include Crimea and Donbas, who you say is part of Ukraine.
Whoopsie.
Source or make believe?
You should know by now I can back up anything I say.
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The survey was conducted on July 6-20 by telephone interviews. 2,000 respondents living in all regions of Ukraine, except for the occupied Crimea and ORLDO
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Here is food for thought.... coming from the same source (Kyiv International Institute of Sociology)you cited above.
Do you agree with this same source on the below (how 🇺🇦 view Russia)?
https://odessa-journal.com/survey-more-than-80-of-ukrainians-support-ukraines-accession-to-the-eu-only-4-are-against/
Ukrainians are united like never before, but it’s a hard-won unity” Anton Hrushetskiy, deputy director of the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS), told RFE/RL.
According to a poll conducted by KIIS in July, a historic 85 percent of Ukrainians identify themselves above all as citizens of Ukraine, as opposed to residents of their region, representatives of an ethnic minority, or some other identifier.
This so-called indicator of civil identity, regarded as a crucial mark of cohesion in a historically diverse and divided Ukrainian society, was 64.4 percent only half a year ago.
“The ideas that there is no such thing as the Ukrainian nation, and that the Ukrainian state is a failed state were crucial to Russian propaganda,” Hrushetskiy said. “Nothing could have had such a unifying effect as the war waged by Putin and his cynical justification of it.”
Research shows similar spikes can be observed in views on other crucial matters.
As many as 96 percent of Ukrainians support their country joining the European Union, and 91 percent now favor joining NATO. Some 92 percent profess a “bad” attitude toward Russia, while only 2 percent declare a “good” one.
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Yes, I agree with that.
Ukraine has become very divided since the war started between the Russian controlled territories and the rest of Ukraine.
That's why Putin has no interest in the rest of Ukraine, only the territories with a large ethnic-Russian population (the parts in purple and blue below)
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ballsalsa said: Let's cool it, y'all. Keep it civil. Some of us are skating on thin ice.
Indeed, of course. I will remain civil. ‘Pologies shroomery
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Let me perchance agree that Putin only wants those colors above. Certainly he is conducting this military operation for economic purposes....that just true with all major conflicts.
You agree that Ukraine is divided, yet the source states that around 90% look at Russia in a bad light. (2,000 respondents living in all regions of Ukraine, except for the occupied Crimea and ORLDO, )that seems unified....or am I missing something?
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That may be right. Remember, Putin is already occupying a majority of the blue territory, so that part's not getting counted into the poll.
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Oh cmon now….
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The Blind Ass said: Oh cmon now….
I don't know the merit of the argument. We would need polling data on what the story is in Crimea, and occupied parts of (former) Ukraine, I suppose, and we're not likely to get that.
However, we do have a member who has some anecdotal wisdom to impart. Falcon is saying that the folks who weren't polled (because they have already been taken over) are ethnically Russian, and pro-Russian invasion. Aren't Russia and Ukraine both ethnically pretty much the same, though? Do they speak Russian in Crimea? 
Do they drink vodka with breakfast?
I don't know the specifics. Maybe you can enlighten us, Falcon?
It seems to me, at this point, they probably wouldn't be supportive of Russia taking control, because of the way in which Russia went about it. You know? lmao!
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Bigbadwooof said: Falcon is saying that the folks who weren't polled (because they have already been taken over) are ethnically Russian, and pro-Russian invasion. Aren't Russia and Ukraine both ethnically pretty much the same, though? Do they speak Russian in Crimea? 
Do they drink vodka with breakfast?
I don't know the specifics. Maybe you can enlighten us, Falcon?
Yes, they speak Russian in Crimea, and consider themselves Russians (Crimea was part of Russia from from 1783 to 1954, when Khrushchev gave it Ukraine without asking the Crimean people).
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Bigbadwooof said: It seems to me, at this point, they probably wouldn't be supportive of Russia taking control, because of the way in which Russia went about it. You know? lmao!
No, I don't know. Donbas was begging Russia to help them fight off the upcoming Ukrainian invasion.
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Bigbadwooof said: Do they drink vodka with breakfast?
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I don't know. I stayed at a hotel, and vodka wasn't served with breakfast (maybe because I was American?)
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I’ll answer.
Yes, they have breakfast with their vodka.
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You okay buddy?
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christopera said: You are welcome to ignore that 85% of Ukrainians want to join NATO.
Uhh, yes, that is exactly what you did.
What would you like me to say about it? How about... that number doesn't include Crimea and Donbas, who you say is part of Ukraine.
Whoopsie.
Source or make believe?
You should know by now I can back up anything I say.
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The survey was conducted on July 6-20 by telephone interviews. 2,000 respondents living in all regions of Ukraine, except for the occupied Crimea and ORLDO
Maybe I'll respond tomorrow but you didn't actually respond the source I provided.
Maybe I will just let it go. It reminds me of the Cranberries and their prolific song about a fart.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You should know by now I can back up anything I say.
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The survey was conducted on July 6-20 by telephone interviews. 2,000 respondents living in all regions of Ukraine, except for the occupied Crimea and ORLDO
Maybe I'll respond tomorrow but you didn't actually respond the source I provided.
Maybe I will just let it go.
Awww, that's so nice of you. 
Except I found it for you right here.
From your article: "According to a poll conducted by KIIS in July..."
What do you know? The link I provided was to the very same KIIS poll. I can even link you to the original KIIS poll on the KIIS site:
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The sample did not include residents of territories that were not temporarily controlled by the authorities of Ukraine until February 24, 2022 (AR of Crimea, the city of Sevastopol, certain districts of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts)...
You're not the nice guy you pretend to be, you're a
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If things are going so well for Russia, why are the oligarchs so sad?
https://thenationview.com/world-news/90461.html
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Who knows? A lot of rich people have jumped to their deaths since the war began:
French financier jumps to death from NYC balcony during apartment showing
Did Biden do it?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Who knows? A lot of rich people have jumped to their deaths since the war began:
French financier jumps to death from NYC balcony during apartment showing
Did Biden do it?
That, my dear friend, is the wrong question.
Should Biden do it?
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