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Dragonaut


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Marketplace thread deletion/archiving 2
#27923525 - 08/29/22 04:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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As I understand, Marketplace threads that have not been replied to in 90 days are deleted. For giveaways and other trades/sales which have been completed and marked closed, can these be deleted sooner to clear out the thread list, leaving only open and active threads? Also, can a rule be added that (CLOSED) must be added by the OP to the main subject when appropriate, to aid moderators in the removal process?
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Nichrome
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut] 1
#27939140 - 09/07/22 05:35 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I've seen prints take longer than 90 days to get to destinations. It helps to keep the thread available for dialogue and for keeping track of time frames and such. Sometimes people will re-open (closed) threads and revive them which is pretty cool I think. I think that most of the truly active marketplace threads are always on the first page anyway so it's pretty easy to sift through. In the marketplace there are people from all over the world. Some of them learn to speak english just to read posts here and trade in the marketplace. Prints often go to countries where the recipient is in great physical or legal danger by even possesing the print. Those people are risking a lot and are some of the most beautiful participants here. Adding complications to an already streamlined functional trade space like the shroomery marketplace would maybe make things easier for a few but would likely complicate things for a very many to the point where the marketplace looses traffic.
Personally I like leeway and non complicated fully functional venues. We don't often see the repercussions of new rules till they bite us right in the ass.
I understand the need/desire to tidy up but this is just my rationalization and would prefer not to have new rules in the marketplace.
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Dragonaut


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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Nichrome]
#27939687 - 09/08/22 12:07 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I see that I'm not the only one who supports this change, as it came up recently here.
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Ythan
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut] 1
#27939731 - 09/08/22 01:09 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Good enough for me! I've updated the post expiration script so if a thread's subject ends with [CLOSED] or (CLOSED), it will automatically be deleted once it's been inactive for 7 days, instead of the usual 90 day expiration. I can tweak that value and maybe shorten it, but I wanted to be sure that anyone who participated in the thread would have a chance to see how it wrapped up. Even at 7 days I think it will help a lot to keep the forum less cluttered. Thank you for the suggestion.
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Dragonaut


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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Ythan]
#27939746 - 09/08/22 01:34 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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ChinaCat
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut]
#27977468 - 10/02/22 03:53 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Gotta say I think 7 days is too soon. Maybe we could go for like 2 or 3 weeks? I recently did a giveaway and didn't hear back from 3/6 people. My thread was gone by the time most people got their letters. I wanted to follow up but it was tough to remember who all I sent stuff since I delete PMs with personal information. These letters were all domestic USA too
I know I could have not put "Closed" in the subject but I didn't want people to think I had more shit and keep hitting me up. Just think 7 days is a bit too soon. And I mean, if a thread says closed I don't think it's that hard to figure out
I'm with Nichrome. It's nice to have the threads still around even when people aren't constantly active. Like fahtster's FP+ giveaway from April is still up bc people comment almost every day. My cpx thread was gone before people got their letters
Edit: I guess fahts thread doesnt say "Closed" but ya get the idea. Not trying to be a dick or anything but I would have liked my thread to stick around for another week or so
Edited by ChinaCat (10/02/22 04:01 AM)
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Dragonaut


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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut]
#27977515 - 10/02/22 05:14 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think a week is still good. If a contest/giveaway is closed, it's closed. The OP could always delay the closing, or put something else in the title, like I've seen people writing (PAUSED) recently.
Maybe two weeks should be the max. If you haven't received the mailing or any feedback by then, it's probably lost in the mail. 
Anyways, if it were up to me, I wouldn't change it. The thread list was almost down to 6 pages recently, but now it's close to 8.
On another note: This change was not retroactive, was it? I noticed there are still closed threads that are many years old. Half the mods for this forum haven't been around in years.
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: ChinaCat] 3
#27977724 - 10/02/22 09:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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ChinaCat said: Gotta say I think 7 days is too soon. Maybe we could go for like 2 or 3 weeks? I recently did a giveaway and didn't hear back from 3/6 people. My thread was gone by the time most people got their letters. I wanted to follow up but it was tough to remember who all I sent stuff since I delete PMs with personal information. These letters were all domestic USA too
I know I could have not put "Closed" in the subject but I didn't want people to think I had more shit and keep hitting me up. Just think 7 days is a bit too soon. And I mean, if a thread says closed I don't think it's that hard to figure out
I'm with Nichrome. It's nice to have the threads still around even when people aren't constantly active. Like fahtster's FP+ giveaway from April is still up bc people comment almost every day. My cpx thread was gone before people got their letters
Edit: I guess fahts thread doesnt say "Closed" but ya get the idea. Not trying to be a dick or anything but I would have liked my thread to stick around for another week or so 
My letters seem to average about two weeks.
Middle Sahara, Southeast Asaia, BFE Northern CAD, Down Under, Arabia... six continents so far... One of these days I hope to send prints to Antarctica too. When I think of how much money went into stamps and envelopes so far it just really sinks in how valuable all those giveaway threads were to me personally like trophies. I wish they were just archived and not deleted. Really it's sad as those were a lot of wonderful human interactions and a good history of how strains/varieties come around which is seriously lacking in this community and that was the only record which is gone now forever. All that interaction and bonding just gone. All that record of scientific research just gone. Poof. All in the name of tidying up. Guess I've just put a lot into the mktplace and feel emotionally attached as if it was a lifetime achievement getting all those spores into human hands safely and in a good way for free even. Sort of makes me feel barfy...

Poof gone because people can't handle old threads. This site is mostly old threads. That's what makes an archive like the Shroomery great.
(Closed) is easy enough to understand. I very much liked how it was and do not enjoy the changes in fact it breaks my heart to really think about what is lost on a whim...
Edited by Nichrome (10/02/22 11:18 AM)
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ChinaCat
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Nichrome]
#27977868 - 10/02/22 10:55 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe two weeks should be the max. If you haven't received the mailing or any feedback by then, it's probably lost in the mail.
Not everybody that uses the marketplace is super active on here. Like I hit people up that I sent stuff to and they haven't replied. It's only been about 3 weeks. I don't think some of them have even been online since then. Pretty sure they all got their letters though. It just would have been nice to have the thread around a little longer so these guys might remember what I'm talking about whenever they log on
But whatever I guess I'll have to be more careful about my thread subjects moving forward. Just didn't want people lining up for more prints that I didn't have bc my thread was "Paused"
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Nichrome said: I wish they were just archived and not deleted. Really it's sad as those were a lot of wonderful human interactions and a good history of how strains/varieties come around which is seriously lacking in this community and that was the only record which is gone now forever

An archive would be sweet
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Dragonaut


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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut]
#27978339 - 10/02/22 04:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, we definitely need an archive. For gems like this...and this. Or, perhaps this classic. 
By my count, there are currently over two full pages (55+ posts) that have been ended/closed/locked/deleted. This is just unnecessary clutter. If an OP has some emotional attachment to a post, they could easily print it off or download the page. Outside of trade ratings, I believe this is the best way to preserve the history. Leaving these expired posts up really doesn't add to the user experience, and in my opinion, it's like people who never take down their classified ads. It makes mess and confuses people into thinking the items are still available. If there is less to read, it's easier to get to what's still relevant.
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ChinaCat
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut]
#27978406 - 10/02/22 05:45 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah we get it, it's hard for you to not go past the first two pages... I literally just wanted to know that people got the shit I sent them but my post was gone before that could happen

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Dragonaut said: Yeah, we definitely need an archive. For gems like this...and this. Or, perhaps this classic. 
Yeah those are clearly the posts that we think would be useful to archive... Because the posts we are referring to couldn't have possibly been deleted because of inactivity for more than 6 months.
Obviously we would be referring to historic posts in the marketplace like Pastywhyte's RustyWhyte giveaway or Buddaking's melmak giveaway. I can't count how many times someone has asked about the bkmak lineage and someone has to type up a paragraph explaining it bc the marketplace post is gone.
Idk why you are against information being available to read? If you don't want to read it, don't. The search function already has a really handy way to filter by date https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24270830#24270830
Edited by ChinaCat (10/02/22 07:16 PM)
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: ChinaCat] 2
#27984234 - 10/06/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It takes 2 months for me to receive prints to South Africa sometimes and a month minimum when I send, closing early would be an issue but Ythan seems to have made his decision already.
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Re: Marketplace thread deletion/archiving [Re: Dragonaut] 2
#27984351 - 10/06/22 10:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It takes two seconds to change the expiration. What's the most popular option?
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