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Bigbadwooof
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Free Speech 2
#27923269 - 08/28/22 10:25 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is dedicated to the discussion of free speech, particularly with regard to social media platforms. I find this to be... complicated. It honestly frustrates the shit out of me. As everyone is probably aware, social media outlets across the board have adopted policies that censor their users in ways that, until recent years, were unprecedented.
I was having a discussion with some people on reddit about this, and someone responded to me, and told me he's been a member for 10 years, and wasn't banned from a single sub until the past couple years. Now he is banned from dozens. I personally am banned from more subs than I care to admit, for the most petty reasons. Even when I have the best of intentions, somehow something I say is perceived as "racist", and there is no discussion, I am just banned from the whole sub, forever. Things like that..
I'm not racist, I have LOADS of black friends, and I've even considered befriending some asians too (North Eastern ones anyway). I know some of you might consider not capitalizing "asians" to be racist. Maybe I'll get banned for that.
Aaaanywayyyys... Enlil made some good points about social media outlets having the right to censor their users, because it is a reflection of the values of the platform. I've also heard, "Freedom of the press only applies if you own the press". I have to say, that answer just isn't good enough for me, though. These platforms have too much power. It's hard for me to accept that that is the end of the story. Someone needs to propose a solution that is more palatable than "That's just the way it is". Balls, you're up.
It is important to keep discussion civil. Even here we do that. Somehow the mods here seem to manage to keep it reasonable, though. We have a very simple code of conduct to abide by. The longest I've ever been banned for is a month. (Totally uncalled for, btw)
I do see two potential solutions. Here they are:
A) Create competing social media platforms that have more reasonable policies, like the way things are handled here (Except when Enlil banned me for a month).
This would be quite the undertaking.
B) Break up social media platforms that have virtual monopolies on their respective markets.
I don't even know how this would work. If you break up facebook... How do you break up facebook into smaller companies? Idk...
Someone help me out. I need a guiding philosophy to disseminate to reddit, and beyond.

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personally i think free speech and social media are the dumbest fucking combinations ever.
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy] 2
#27923296 - 08/28/22 10:55 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: personally i think free speech and social media are the dumbest fucking combinations ever.
I don't. I used use reddit to find things like .onion addresses for DNMs, and reputable research chemical vendors.
If I wrote that joke about having black friends on reddit... I'd probably get banned. It's clearly a fucking joke. I think what we're going to end up with is a hypersensitive generation who can't take a fucking joke.
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sounds like you are hypersensitive to not being able to make a really dumb joke
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy]
#27923306 - 08/28/22 10:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I was under the impression that subs are self-moderated, by those who create them? So it's kinda like getting kicked out of a clubhouse, more to do with personal tastes than -CENSORSHIP- . I'm not really on reddit tho, so correct me if i'm wrong.
In the interest of free speech, should the shroomery allow source discussion? Or are there other concerns that take higher precedence?
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy] 2
#27923307 - 08/28/22 10:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: sounds like you are hypersensitive to not being able to make a really dumb joke
Firstly, my jokes are hilarious.
Second... you're banned from this thread.
... I don't like your tone.
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Re: Free Speech [Re: Lynnch]
#27923311 - 08/28/22 11:02 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: I was under the impression that subs are self-moderated, by those who create them? So it's kinda like getting kicked out of a clubhouse, more to do with personal tastes than -CENSORSHIP- . I'm not really on reddit tho, so correct me if i'm wrong.
Ok... you're right. I think that's how reddit works.. I'm not specifically referring to reddit though.
I had my posts removed on facebook, for talking shit about Donald Trump, during the election. Shit like that.
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In the interest of free speech, should the shroomery allow source discussion? Or are there other concerns that take higher precedence?
What do you mean?
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you could just txt someone for drugs. or use a beeper?
the internet is for cat videos and porn not free speech.
someone lied to this generation
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy]
#27923314 - 08/28/22 11:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: you could just txt someone for drugs. or use a beeper?
the internet is for cat videos and porn not free speech.
someone lied to this generation
I'm kind of a dope snob. I like 3rd party lab certified 99%+ pure dope from Spain... shit like that.
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if u were that much a snob youd move to dope country
or make em yourself.
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy]
#27923319 - 08/28/22 11:08 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: if u were that much a snob youd move to dope country
or make em yourself.
Dope country?
Tell me moooore 
I do make drugs myself. The best drugs. Used to. Now I go to meetings...
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy] 1
#27923320 - 08/28/22 11:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mushboy said: if u were that much a snob youd move to dope country
or make em yourself.
Stop derailing the most important thread EVER! People who derail threads deserve to be banned!
Accept your ban and move along!
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if you are on your phone or other device and the auto correct capitalizes ASAINS.. do you go back and change the A to lower case?
that would be totally racist maybe they could read your keystrokes and could detect your evil intentions.
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy]
#27923349 - 08/28/22 11:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Mushboy said:
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mushboy said: if you are on your phone or other device and the auto correct capitalizes ASAINS.. do you go back and change the A to lower case?
that would be totally racist maybe they could read your keystrokes and could detect your evil intentions.
Cuz he's banned.
I'm on a computer that lets me do whatever the HELL I want!
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Bigbadwooof said: This thread is dedicated to the discussion of free speech, particularly with regard to social media platforms. I find this to be... complicated. It honestly frustrates the shit out of me. As everyone is probably aware, social media outlets across the board have adopted policies that censor their users in ways that, until recent years, were unprecedented.
I was having a discussion with some people on reddit about this, and someone responded to me, and told me he's been a member for 10 years, and wasn't banned from a single sub until the past couple years. Now he is banned from dozens. I personally am banned from more subs than I care to admit, for the most petty reasons. Even when I have the best of intentions, somehow something I say is perceived as "racist", and there is no discussion, I am just banned from the whole sub, forever. Things like that..
I'm not racist, I have LOADS of black friends, and I've even considered befriending some asians too (North Eastern ones anyway). I know some of you might consider not capitalizing "asians" to be racist. Maybe I'll get banned for that.
Aaaanywayyyys... Enlil made some good points about social media outlets having the right to censor their users, because it is a reflection of the values of the platform. I've also heard, "Freedom of the press only applies if you own the press". I have to say, that answer just isn't good enough for me, though. These platforms have too much power. It's hard for me to accept that that is the end of the story. Someone needs to propose a solution that is more palatable than "That's just the way it is". Balls, you're up.
It is important to keep discussion civil. Even here we do that. Somehow the mods here seem to manage to keep it reasonable, though. We have a very simple code of conduct to abide by. The longest I've ever been banned for is a month. (Totally uncalled for, btw)
I do see two potential solutions. Here they are:
A) Create competing social media platforms that have more reasonable policies, like the way things are handled here (Except when Enlil banned me for a month).
This would be quite the undertaking.
B) Break up social media platforms that have virtual monopolies on their respective markets.
I don't even know how this would work. If you break up facebook... How do you break up facebook into smaller companies? Idk...
Someone help me out. I need a guiding philosophy to disseminate to reddit, and beyond.


if you dont like the way facebook or reddit are moderated, then dont use them. its pretty fuckin simple, dude.
also, if you think your right to free speech is being infringed upon, id bet that you dont really have anything important to say.
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I’m having a total Tyler Durden moment because I AM the one with the mod actions on my dashboard.
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split_by_nine said: if you dont like the way facebook or reddit are moderated, then dont use them. its pretty fuckin simple, dude.
also, if you think your right to free speech is being infringed upon, id bet that you dont really have anything important to say.
I got banned from a nutrition subreddit for saying that salmon is one of the healthiest foods known to man, and some vegan had a problem with it. It was important.
It's not that simple. Facebook is where most people get their news from, as fucked up as that is.
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy]
#27923370 - 08/29/22 12:02 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Why isn't it WORKING?
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How is salmon the most healthiest food? The farmed down syndrome lookin kind with color added that like the vast majority of us eat??
Maybe u were banned for making a platitude.
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Re: Free Speech [Re: mushboy]
#27923388 - 08/29/22 12:33 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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[ quote]North_East_asian said: How is salmon the most healthiest food? The farmed down syndrome lookin kind with color added that like the vast majority of us eat??
Maybe u were banned for making a platitude.
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Wild caught sockeye salmon is one of the healthiest foods known to man. It's a plain fact.
Why aren't my [spoiler ]'s working, and why do you keep posting in this sub? You're banned.
Edited by Bigbadwooof (08/29/22 12:36 AM)
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