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Nordicul
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A Newbies Anxiety or Something else?
#27919868 - 08/26/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Hi All.
I recently briefly posted here "A Grey's first trip" one aspect of which was a "Numbness" which I found a bit disconcerting and I'm looking to get some answers.
Apologies for long post.
Within an hour or so from kick off I experienced some tingling on the left side of my body, this developed into numbness, most noticeably around my lips tongue and mouth, my speech what little I had of it was badly slurred. It was like being badly sossled.
The next nearest thing to it was like being in a dentists chair mouth and face numb from injections. This particular memory was not helped by a dentist drill like sound in the music!.
These effects along with the nausea had passed after a couple of hours.
A search in the forum pulled up a few references to Numbness, but not many answers as to why it happens except "Normal for Cubes."
Normal for Cubes I can live with if it's coming from a TC, but there is nothing too definitive that I can see out there to explain why it happens and if it is safe?
My own vivid imagination makes me consider two things...
1,Tia or Transient Ischaemic Attack...this is like a mini stroke which later passes and is due to a spasm of a blood vessel in the brain. Now I've never had anything like this before but at 75 it's not improbable that my brain blood supply is a bit suspect,....after all here I am doing shrooms!!
2.Botulinum Toxin. Clostridium Botulinum produces one of the most potent and often fatal paralysing poisons known to mankind. Wiki it. While it's often deadly, fortunately outbreaks are rare but they happen.
The bacteria which produce it are sensitive to heat treatment ie boiling. The spores it produces are much less so and can only be killed by pressure cooking.
The poison (toxin) the bacteria produce is odourless, colourless and tasteless can be destroyed by boiling but only for much longer periods.
The bacteria are anaerobic i.e. they like low or absent oxygen conditions, it multiplies around 20C (room temp) but can even multiply at 4C in Fridge. They like low acid foods... Mushrooms being one.
I'd harvested my tea shrooms five days earlier, they were wrapped in brown paper then in tinfoil and kept in a fridge A large cap was out of the fridge longer making a spore print but then joined them. The raw shrooms for tea were chopped up and added to just boiled water and simmered there for fifteen minutes.
So, and this is the biggie, IF shrooms had somehow been contaminated with Clostridium and IF they had made some toxin my heat treatment may not have been enough to destroy any toxin present, giving rise to my numbness?
This is probably the newbies paranoia, my daughter says I was just having a "whitey" but I'd welcome the views of you seasoned Psychonauts.
Tia
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Re: A Newbies Anxiety or Something else? [Re: Nordicul]
#27919920 - 08/26/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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You were just tripping man, nothing to be worried about
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Re: A Newbies Anxiety or Something else? [Re: Nordicul]
#27925183 - 08/30/22 02:26 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mushrooms constrict blood flow a bit by tightening blood vesseld so yes thats an option
perhaps some popular drug like sildenafil could counter the effect if taken simultaneously? but first do research if its safe combo
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Re: A Newbies Anxiety or Something else? [Re: darkcreature]
#27931861 - 09/03/22 08:35 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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as mentioned above, vasoconstriction. but the cognitive absorption of the sensation (all sensations (and any thought formations/perceptions)) intensifies or layers up the signals from your extremities that are getting less blood.
indeed, all signals in the mind fade more slowly on psyches so they kind of bunch up.
it is ridiculously funny after you level out, but it can be disconcerting during the come up.
The impression of nausea and coldness etc. are all intensified.
LSD has a bit less physical impact, but shrooms you can cultivate yourself.
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Re: A Newbies Anxiety or Something else? [Re: redgreenvines]
#27950789 - 09/15/22 06:04 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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OK Guys,
Thanks for taking time out to reply. Well the jury is still out as two nights later when i woke early am to piss i was totally light headed, had to hold onto furniture unsteady on feet ..wow. Took to bed, it lasted over 12 hours gradually easing. Saw Dr 48 hrs later, BP was up, meds increased plus booked in for an MRI brain scan! So no more sampling the product until i get an all clear on that. Again thanks, will keep you posted.
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