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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy] * 2
    #28618457 - 01/12/24 08:42 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

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Obamacare is corporate welfare for insurance companies.




We would have been just as well off with Romneycare. Does anyone even use the marketplace?




The marketplace has broke records for signups the last 3 years.

Govt paid healthcare is popular:shrug: the plans are the same that private companies offer just the man picks up half the tab.

It’s not govt run healthcare like some people like to pretend.

It ain’t the dmv.




Exactly. The public pays for artificially inflated rates and private middlemen pocket the profits.  Its everything wrong with student loans but on steroids.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28618466 - 01/12/24 08:52 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

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Exactly. The public pays for artificially inflated rates and private middlemen pocket the profits.  Its everything wrong with student loans but on steroids.




The postal service is cheaper and more efficient than FedEx or UPS, and as far as the DMV, my DMV allows you to pre-schedule appointments, so you don't have to wait in line.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28618467 - 01/12/24 08:53 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

I remember a 3 hour line to get a license in jersey


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Enlil]
    #28618475 - 01/12/24 09:00 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

back in the 70s? probably.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28618478 - 01/12/24 09:02 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

2008


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Enlil]
    #28618483 - 01/12/24 09:04 AM (15 days, 11 hours ago)

15 years is a long time


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
    #28618577 - 01/12/24 10:45 AM (15 days, 10 hours ago)

I operate in geological time.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28618591 - 01/12/24 11:08 AM (15 days, 9 hours ago)

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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
    #28618597 - 01/12/24 11:17 AM (15 days, 9 hours ago)

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you would still go to the doctors office staffed by reasonably competent medically individuals the govt would just replace the for profit aspect. ideally.

maybe talk to a canadian?

honestly NJ dmv has been streamlined and is extremely efficient compared to the other states ive lived in. if thats how a doctors appointment would happen? meh.




      Govt jobs don't pay as well as their private counterparts and are generally unfulfilling .
  Reasonably competent is probably as good as it will get  .


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2] * 3
    #28618620 - 01/12/24 11:37 AM (15 days, 9 hours ago)

You may be misinformed about universal healthcare.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #28618648 - 01/12/24 12:03 PM (15 days, 8 hours ago)

When I was working in banking regulations, the very same job in the regulatory agencies within the gov made close to x 2.5 what I did.

Regardless, it is very difficult for me to discern what single payer would look like. It's cheaper....cheaper for who? I am sure there are several ways to accomplish it, but all of the inner workings don't seem coherent to me. Who gets the funds first? Price controls on a private medical business?

Does anyone have a rundown?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28618676 - 01/12/24 12:50 PM (15 days, 8 hours ago)

First thing they should do is fix medication prices to cost of production.

Insulin cost 3000% more than it cost to produce. That’s insanity. They should have a 10% margin that they can play with the price on medication’s based off of the cost of production. We don’t need companies making billions of dollars off of somebody not able to afford cancer medication.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28618741 - 01/12/24 01:59 PM (15 days, 7 hours ago)

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First thing they should do is fix medication prices to cost of production.

Insulin cost 3000% more than it cost to produce. That’s insanity. They should have a 10% margin that they can play with the price on medication’s based off of the cost of production. We don’t need companies making billions of dollars off of somebody not able to afford cancer medication.




As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of other country's government's negotiate drug prices. Ours does not.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #28618894 - 01/12/24 04:20 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago)

The VA does now thanks to Bernie and McCain but not medicare.

Government negotiation only matters when government is paying so even though it could make a big difference to the federal budget, the vast majority of Americans beholden to private middlemen would still be getting gouged by pharma companies unless we got nationalized healthcare


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28618901 - 01/12/24 04:23 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago)

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act gave medicare the go ahead to negotiate drug prices with manufacturers.

Thanks Obama
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28618906 - 01/12/24 04:27 PM (15 days, 4 hours ago)

That's pretty cool.  Every so often something good slips through despite our best efforts to go fuck ourselves
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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: mushboy]
    #28618972 - 01/12/24 05:28 PM (15 days, 3 hours ago)

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You may be misinformed about universal healthcare



 
    I may be misinformed about allot of things . Maybe.
It looks pretty cool in Norway .
  Your expecting me to believe our govt is going to do that ?


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28618975 - 01/12/24 05:30 PM (15 days, 3 hours ago)

If enough people demand it. They will.
But I think the government makes a lot of money getting paid off by big Pharma. So it will take a lot of pressure.
It’s time for change. We need to stop letting these billionaire corporations decide how much money we owe them.


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28618979 - 01/12/24 05:36 PM (15 days, 3 hours ago)

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The VA does now thanks to Bernie and McCain but not medicare.

Government negotiation only matters when government is paying so even though it could make a big difference to the federal budget, the vast majority of Americans beholden to private middlemen would still be getting gouged by pharma companies unless we got nationalized healthcare




And that's the point of nationalizing healthcare. Collective bargaining. We pay an OBSCENE amount of money for the same outcomes as other nations, because they have single payer systems, and their governments negotiate drug prices.

What's more is... Psilynut could keep his shitty private insurance, on top of government insurance, if he's so worried about his cold prostate!


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Re: Political Memes and Pics and Shit [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28619009 - 01/12/24 05:57 PM (15 days, 3 hours ago)

A single payer system is just like government cheese. it's cheese, and it's not terrible, but it's certainly not the best of the best.If you want really good cheese, you're going to need to pay for it. Just like if you want really good health care, you're going to need to pay for it.


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